Originally Posted by Yondering
Originally Posted by Etoh
the brake vs. break controversy, has been pretty interesting the last 30 years, initially I think the original use was compensator, as in Cutts compensator on Thompson Subs.

Not saying which is correct, but from a discussion point of view.

the formula for calculating recoil does not use pressure in its calculation.

in the vector analysis of the forces, there is no negative vector that would suggest any type of braking. the amount of recoil reduction is due to less ejecta bearing against the dia. of the end of the muzzle.

had this discussion with the folks at JP in connection with their "Sail" type brake, and their position is that a "jet thrust" is produced and the larger baffles capture this.

My reply was show me the math.

recoil is independent of pressure,

however there is a substantial "break" in the direction of the escaping gases.


No.

There is no "controversy" about brake vs break for muzzle devices, only people who can spell and people who can't or don't care. The use of the word brake is to arrest, restrict, delay, retard, etc, just like brakes on a car. There are just as many people who talk about their car's breaks, and it's just as incorrect in that application too.

You don't seem to understand how a brake works, or vector analysis. Powder gas has both mass and velocity; that gas impinging against the baffles of the brake (calculate the perpendicular surface area if you want, that's what counts) is what causes a forward acting force that partially counteracts recoil. It's a fairly simple concept, and effectiveness of a brake is directly proportional to the amount of powder used; i.e. it's more effective with a light bullet and lots of powder than it is with a heavy bullet and smaller powder charge.



show me where the de-celeration vector is (definition of braking), please review your thermodynamics and the basic recoil equation again.

not saying that there isn't an effect, just negligible , and as I said previously the amt. of recoil reduction percentage is a ratio of the powder to ejecta total mass.

in a rifle as an example, the pressure is down to say, around 20k psi and velocity curve is almost flat. On exititing the pressure has dropped considerably more, and that reduced pressure (velocity of particles in gas) now occupies a volume that is around 100 times greater.as the volume, changes according to PV=P'V' before contacting any baffles.

some brakes/breaks, are angles back toward the shooter as in the fifty calibers, but the ration of powder to total ejecta mass is considerably higher than other caliber/powder combinations so is it the increased powder mass or the angles?

Last edited by Etoh; 12/09/19.

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