Chuck, been looking for 25-20 wcf and couple gentlemen have connected me to some. Thanks, though, you are right about the 32-20 option. I bought the form die, fl, etc to do it but results were spotty. Also have been using till now, reformed 32-20 by a vendor, but is rather brittle, snapped a few necks off. PIA gettin it out of the die. So, looking for factory stuff; may cost more, but should be less drama.