I've never been a 180/308 guy. I've always used 150's and 165's. I took my biggest whitetail, a 200lb (dressed) 4x4 with a 150 Speer HotCore (in and out). Also took my biggest elk, an old mature 7x7, with the 165 Hotcore. The last elk I shot (or latest :)) was with a Hornady 165 SP Interlock. It broke the big upper leg bone of the 6x6, penetrated both lungs, and was in the offside ribs.