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A bunch of elk were shot, from cows up to big bulls, and shot placement noted (Phil was a zoologist). Also, how far each elk went after the shot before falling was measured, and how long it stayed on its feet timed.


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after the heart/lung system is punctured, it takes 10-15 seconds for blood pressure to drop enough to cause unconsciousness in the average big game animal.


Were the elk/moose standing undisturbed? Or, fearing for their lives hopped up on adrenaline?

Shooting undisturbed animals is no real test. Just use a 257 Roberts and your argument will apply.

Not all shots hit the heart lung area on a hunt. How about
solid muscle in the shoulder area. Delivering more shock
with 300 fps out of a 300 win mag. Your telling me that will
have no "more" affect on an elk/moose?



Would you stand by your 375 and 30-06 comparison for Cape Buffalo?