You're spot on regarding moose necks this time of year Mainer. Your report is encouraging but by no means unexpected based on real-world experience I've heard from others, hence my confidence that this load at the distances my 13 year old will be handgunning deer at. The A-Frame gets the nod from me because it's the ideal between deep penetration with expansion. What would make you think an A-Frame cannot be driven to sufficient velocities for expansion from a handgun? A couple months ago I called Swift and spoke with one of their ballisticians. He told me the reason for the long barrel data is that's simply the length of the test barrels they have.