I put the four asterisks **** after 1960 as I cheated some and thought maybe 1961. I looked in David Royal's book and at the start of Chapter 7 (page 91) he writes that after the move to Westfield in 1960 Savage started the 1 in 10" 250 twist. I sorta thought well maybe they didn't really start getting them in the chain until 1961 and thought of putting that year, but couldn't find any reference to it later in the book, nor anything in Murray's book either. I didn't spend alot of time looking in either book as I was in a hurry to get back outside and run our ditches huntin asparagus. 2 1/2 grocery sacks worth was the result of that labor. Besides freezing, cooking, or baking it, wife makes asparagus pickles, dang good. grin