Thanks memtb, but I thought we were talking about bullet lubes in general. I'm trying to understand the value of PC. I guess my homemade beeswax concoction could be considered traditional, but there aren't any discussions on these lubes without dredging up some ancient forum. I can't imagine there'd be much lubricity with PC, and I'd like to understand it's performance limitations. I shoot cast (gas-checked) bullets going pretty fast in a 308 winchester. My last 5 shot group measured 0.91" at 100yds. Can PC bullets do this? Only if I was satisfied with the performance of PC might I concern myself with colors, but then again probably not. I'd rather load more ammo than change lipsticks