As to the original question posed on this thread, "on how they would really stand up to elk and other tough game." To that question I say the 180 gr. Scirocco would stand up well. As to MD's assertion the 180 partition is the better elk bullet, I am not convinced. I have several friends who shoot .300's. I personally loaded the ammo one of them used to take two elk so far, using 180 gr. partitions no less. See I don't hate them. This was before the Scirocco was born <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> . He killed both with neck shots. One of my mulies I busted low in the neck (180 gr. Scirocco). In each case, broken neck and complete penetration. Another friend shot a cow at about 100 with the 180 Part. (300 Weatherby). On impact there was no reaction, but eventually she dropped. Bullet was found on the far side under the skin. If you want an (or) the all around elk bullet then I would completely agree with you on the 200 gr. Part. (See I don't hate them.) They were very accurate in my rifle but not quite as good as the Scirocco and the Scirocco has a better B.C. And if you're really worried about the bull of a lifetime standing at a bad angle, then I think you need the X or Failsafe or A-frame or TBBC or...........Good luck, Troy