I shot a wad of them in my first 7mm Rem Mag, trying to reach that mythical 3400fps. I never got to Book Max as I only had a Hornady/Sierra load Manual(s), late 70's. Back in the early 80s I loaded them for a hunt down in Freer, Tx ,but the deer didn't cooperate. I used the Nosler 150PT mostly. Supposedly this was when they were "softer", but for sure they are toughened up now,