Was shooting my 45-70 a bunch and the recoil was starting to make me flinch, i had some 4198, in my powder safe, , i would load a couple of rnds and shoot them of my man cave porch, and i kept reducing powder, until i had a manageable load, very little recoil, then chrno-ed it, it's doing 1380fps, and kills the hell out of pigs. 50 grs. H-4198 is the cat's ass in my 45-70 Rio7
