A case full of Fg Goex in Norma 3.25" basic with cci-200 primers.hard card card ,compression,grease cookie another card wad. And 45 tgbs .442" ppb cast 1 in 20 at 566 grs. wrapped in 9 lb paper.. All the recoil you want then some. with accuracy. You don't buy big cases to load down with smokeless that's called pipe bombs. Buy a 45-70 if you wanna dick around with smokeless. Hey you asked..mb
