I like them at 2750fps in a 20",in multiple Krunchentickers. Have 'em in multiple bolt guns as short as 19" and LOVE it there too. I'm thinking (8) rifles all told. Hint...............

Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."