Have a Taurus 431 stainless that I trimmed the grip on and liked it so much I bought a 441 stainless several years later. Loaded with Keith 429451's over 15 gr. 2400 it carries like a model 66 with the punch of a model 29. At half the cost. Of course, they haven't been made for almost 20 years, so the old fashioned quality is there. I had a Charter Undercover once and think I threw it in the trashcan. No comparison.