You see I must buy a .308 because I already have the dies, bullets and powder....I want a short barreled short range deer gun, light easy to handle, good second shot although I almost never have to shoot twice unless I hit a branch, I am also looking at a Ruger 77 in the short international. Looking for light and fast the 20 inch barrel makes more sense than the 18 however the trigger on the ruger is probably better and the ruger is probably stronger.