I've had an Ithaca M37 12ga. for 47 years and it's never missed a beat. Bought a new one a few years ago and had nothing but trouble with it; wouldn't feed, wouldn't eject, etc. Very accurate with the fixed rifled barrel. Killed a lot of deer with it, but never did like it. The old ones would fire if you held the trigger down and pumped it. The newer ones would let the hammer follow the bolt forward, leaving you with a round in the chamber and the hammer not cocked. Next time you try to shoot nothing happens. I'd rather it go ahead and fire, at least then you know what happened. I say the old M37 is the best American pump ever made. You can keep the Win. M12, Rem. 870, and Moss. 500. Now that should start an argument.