I'll admit that even though I started wrong with a 270 and knew better, my son started with one as well. In those days I didn't own a 223 or 243 so made do with what we had. Since I shot a 270 he wanted one too, or so I thought anyway. Big difference was I was a handloader and bullet caster by then. He started with cast bullets at around 1700fps after running a .22 and a 20 ga. for a while. When he started deer hunting, I think it was 14 then in Kansas, I loaded down some 130s and eventually moved up to full power loads. In a lot of ways I wish I had been able to get him a good 250 Savage back then, of course he'd probably needed to stand in line to use it.