Yea, I wear Filsons green whipcord pants and their Double MaCinaw in grey in very cold weather but have learned a long time ago while bow hunting you don't need the usual leaf-and-dirt pattern to get close to deer. You NEED correct wind, no MOVEMENT and then most any plaid (heck-red!), quiet outer wear will do it.

As in fishing where most lures "catch the fisherman", most of the camo- patterns "catch" the would-be hunter too; they look good at 2 feet but as usual turn into a dark green blob at 40 yds.

The camo underwear and toilet paper, et al, just make me laugh. IMO, most camo these days is pretty much a non-factor; there are a FEW patterns IMO that make sense but not much more than earth tone wools..Or even non earth tone wools.

In this regard the Outdoor Channel does as much harm as it provides entertainment and I'm not even sure of that.