Thanks JM, I will give each cartridge a looking over before I chamber a round............Mark, I think for the cheap ammo you are right, the Federal Fusion stuff is very effective, I have taken a few medium size does with the 165 Grain .300 WSM stuff with very good results, both had nice exit holes, I have also been curious as to how Winchesters new Power Max bonded ammo performs it is also very reasonable at Wally's...............HB