Interesting comments. Decided to go to the back up area that I have hunted for 30 years. No giant torphies, but a lot of fun. Trail cameras showed a few cows over the summer and not one bull. This is the third day of the hunt. First day rain all day. Heard 1 bull first thing and nothing thereafter. Day 2 and this am, bulls galore. There were no bulls in this area all summer and only a few cows. Saw 10 bulls yesterday of various sizes. This am, we found the cows and herd bull in the same local where a camera sat all summer. It is like they come to rut in the same place each year. Both the cows and bulls. There were 3 bulls and about 10 cows and there was quite a show including a little fighting. Out stalk was a bust. Could not coax the bulls out of the forest and the wind didn't allow sneaking in on them. Back at it in a couple of hours.