Thanks for the insight guys. I find the perspectives interesting. I figured the bullet construction had at least as much to do with it as anything. has anyone got photos of what damage will actually look like with properly placed shots, behind the shoulder, as opposed to through the shoulders? I figure anything that hits major bone there is going to generate and awful lot of mess, especially since the other cartridges I'd consider would likely be the .270 win and .30-06, which aren't slouches either.