Plus one for the 527...also come configured in bolt action by Charles Daly Mini-Mauser and Interarms. Previously loaded in Remington 798. I have two and both are excellent shooters. The terminal effecdt of the 7.62x39 in the Barnes load simply cannot be honestly compared to a .223 out to 150 yards which is the out limits of what most kids should ever be taking a deer anyway. This is NOT to belittle the deadliness of the .223, as I would not want to be shot by either, but if your kid can handle just a little more "push" (I dont say "kick" around the kids), go with the 7.62 and you will be pleased. You might even take it yourself when the kids dont go with you. I would not feel underarmed with it at all out to 150 yards--standard 30-30 range before the introduction of the Leverevolution.