On matters of twist and goo factor a few eons ago a friend and I were spending a day destroying a pd town. He was using same ammo as I, only diff was twist (.223's). The dogs his hit really puree'd and the ones I hit weren't quite as colorful and we all know how the colored ones die all the deader right...grin

Dober

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