Rosco, I hate to confuse you with facts but in most states the average success rate for an elk hunter, is an elk every 6 or 7 years. If you have access to private land, live in an area where elk are prevelant or where you can watch and pattern them all year long, you have a great advantage. Most of us don't. I traveled a total of 3400 miles this year, elk hunting, in 4 states. Sure I kill elk but I have the time and a fairly high skill set (this was my 54th season) which helps me be successful. Elk can be easy to kill but for most on "fair chase", do it your self hunts, they can be a challenge. While you may be a skilled hunter your post shows that you are "wet behind the ears" when dealing with people on a public forum.