I load 12 ga Trap loads and I find a cost savings, not as much as it used to be, but I still enjoy it. I shoot a 1 oz load for 16's and 1 1/8th oz for handicap. I use 7 1/2 shot that I buy from a guy at the club who makes it. It looks as good as West Coast Magnum shot, and is about $30 for 25#