Bob, the first elk was with my long time load of 17 grs of 2400 & the 230 gr Keith slug, I've used that load for over 45 years on a lot of game. The shot was almost length ways but not quite & it did exit a large mature cow, she ran in a tight little circle for 4-5 seconds & dropped. Shot was about 45-50 yds I think. The second cow was even bigger, on her I used the 250 gr LBT & 9.2 grs of Unique, this load was doing about 1150 fps I think. The shot broke both front shoulders & she never took a single step. The shot was 74 yds (I think). Don't sell the 41 short, anyone who has used it much will tell you its an absolute winner on big game. My buddy used his for a one shot kill on a large bull moose.

Dick