I have a 444 lever gun. I had the best results with the Hornady 265 gr flatpoints. I am not sure without digging out my recipes which powders I used. I have a picture somewhere of a 6 shot group. 5 of them were in one ragged hole the size of a 50 cent piece.. and I yanked the other one low and left about an inch. I have been looking everywhere for more bullets but none to be found. Hornady still has them listed in their catalog. I have a box of lever evolution that printed a very nice group but about 1.25 inches higher at 100 yards. And if you use regular brass to load the flextip bullets...you need to shorten the brass. Its all listed in the Hornady reloading book.