168 Berger Classics out of M7 22" tube with all the Retumbo I can get into a 7 SAUM case gets me 2900 fps. Holds 2000 ft. lbs. of energy past 400. I have very similar load for 7 WSM M70 that also shoots well with VLD's and classics. I have only killed deer size and smaller critters but they work nicely.