Ever tried using 'bou body hair for the spinning, then switching to deer for the collar? Seems to pack better for me. Also helped to slip a little tube over the eye of the hook and pack the hair back tight. Now if I could get the right shape when it comes time to trim it.......

I'm going to teach my kids to tie all the tough patterns and let them fill up my fly boxes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />