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Nosler partition......almost 70 years of kicking ass. Yep... To me, velocity is a big consideration with bullet selection. With my .240, I like (it likes) 100 NPT's. In my 26 Nos, I like (it likes) monometals, the 120 TAC-X slightly edging the 120 E-Tip for best accuracy. The gun has a say in those decisions. Most will tell you what they like and if terminal performance of that projectile is Kosher for the game being hunted, the decision is easy. DF
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I have killed several whitetail with the CEB Raptors out of a .223 Rem. They worked very well, within the limits of that cartridge. If I were forced to go with a monometal bullet for med/large game, I think that would be the one I used. Kind of expensive, but they absolutely perform as advertised.
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South Texas You are 100% correct!
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That's rare. But occurs occasionally.
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Why have a mono that fragments anyway when we have so many C&C bullets that do exactly that already?
If it's extra penetration after fragmentation that the OP is looking for,we've had that design around for over 60 years. They call it a Nosler Partition.
As the OP asked, game laws may make the lead bullet go away. However, if I had to hunt with only TTSXs I would not consider that a limitation in any way.
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RWS makes a number of bullets that are designed to lose part of their weight in fragments. A couple of these are monometal designs.
The Germans are much more concerned with the terminal ballistics of their bullets than their external ballsitics.
They also design bullets to offer ideal ballistics from the muzzle to 300 meters,which covers 99% of the game killed world wide.
They really don't care what a bullet does at 1000 yards,but they do want it to expand rapidly,kill quickly,and exit producing a blood trail from point blank to 300 meters every time.
I think they have hunting bullets figured out better than us.
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The bullets they've found to kill quickest are bullets that partially fragment. Scenar Berger Cutting Edge
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If I was a gun writer CEB would be the bullets that I would be putting in ink. Even if I didn't get them for free....
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Head and shoulder shots are what I like to take if possible.So it does not really matter what bullet you use.I think way too much is made out of premium bullets.Good old 100% lead bullets killed game for 100`s of years.Just sayin!!!!
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Why have a mono that fragments anyway when we have so many C&C bullets that do exactly that already?
If it's extra penetration after fragmentation that the OP is looking for,we've had that design around for over 60 years. They call it a Nosler Partition.
As the OP asked, game laws may make the lead bullet go away. However, if I had to hunt with only TTSXs I would not consider that a limitation in any way. Aahh....had not thought about the non lead issue. Just belt them through the shoulders with the TTSX. They are less likely to make a lot of tracks that way.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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The TTSX seems to work remarkably similar to a Partition in many instances, even so far as losing much/most of the front end. Small irony, huh? (And even more ironic, it repeats one of the original “major flaws” with the X bullet. )
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If I was a gun writer CEB would be the bullets that I would be putting in ink. Even if I didn't get them for free.... I have a piece on CEB in the Summer 2015 Show and Auction issue of Gun Digest magazine.
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coyotewacker,
I have been writing about CEB bullets for at least a couple of years now. But one thing you would discover if you actually were a gun writer is that you can't write about only one bullet, because readers want to hear about all of them.
And if you did actually try enough different bullets to get an idea of how each worked, you'd discover they all work to a greater or lesser degree. And if you wrote about all of them you'd find there were readers who bitched about every bullet, because every bullet:
1) Is too expensive 2) Is too cheap 3) Loses too much weight 4) Doesn't fragment enough 5) Isn't what they've been using since 1957 6) Won't shoot 1/2" groups at 300 yards 7) Has a BC is too low for 300-yard shots 8) Ruins too much meat 9) won't work, I just know it won't without ever using one 10) Is only getting ink because the company advertises in that magazine
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You forgot #11) "Pencils" on through
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Yep! And most of the time, they come to that conclusion after looking at the entrance and exit holes, which makes me wonder how many hunters actually field-dress their own game anymore--or understand what they're looking at if they do.
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Don't forget "over penetration!"
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Which reminds me of JeffO and #13) Box is too difficult to open.
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Which reminds me of JeffO and #13) Box is too difficult to open. I always read the entire thread before posting -- so I saw that that old bastid Ingwe had beat me to this! Great minds think alike! John
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How about" the deer was stone ass dead,but the bullet did not exit."
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