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Exactly!

Kevin, Clint Smith does not see eye to eye with Ayoob and who can blame him?

He was an artist with a Thompson as well.

I definitely consider him an expert in his field...




Travis

Which field are you referring?

The field of selling horse schit.



Travis

Why is a nine so sad? Why have a huge capacity magazine? Why so many shots to take a BG out? Now they want a limit to how many rounds you have so you can die when needing a reload. Get real, you need energy inside the creep and two holes.
This junk about bombing to reduce collateral damage sucks --Carpet bomb the creeps. You would not be there unless you wanted to be.
I want to take the whole crowd out.
Any hunter knows not to shoot at a deer if there is orange in the background. Be easier if innocents wore orange. But most are black that cheer on the creeps. "My baby was a GOOD boy-yeah sure. Come here I will take out you, your stinking buddy AND your ride. Why didn't they use Minnie guns on the looters?
A dead cop is a loss and they march but he is GONE, why did you not give him the tools? Oh yeah the cop can go to prison if he does his job. Give him a .38 S&W when the creeps have M16's or AK's.
Don't hurt anyone. Need rubber bullets and pepper spray. Beanbags. Rev Al will get you if you mess up. [bleep] in chief will put you on the rack.

I've read this twice and I still don't know what it means.



Travis

"Over-penetration" only becomes an issue if something critical gets hit that wasn't supposed to after passing through something that was. Otherwise, if somebody wants to shoot a dumb projectile that whizzes right through a target doing minimal damage, it's up to them.

I don't need the government, a CCW instructor or Ayoob telling me that I can get in trouble if my bullets strike an innocent party. I was raised to not bring my troubles upon other people. If more people were, it would prevent many problems.

From what some folks on here are typing, one could easily assume that they'd carry the most highly penetrating bullets they could find in a densely populated area and have no qualms shooting somebody regardless of what was in back of the person. If you carry ammo that you know will shoot through several people and/or barriers and then you get into a shooting and an innocent person gets shot due to a round passing through the bad guy, IMO the shooter is negligent. The good guy did not initiate the proceedings and should not be the party with primary responsibility for that outcome, but if there were better options available and the shooter knowingly ignores them, then he or she bears at least some responsibility.

OTOH, let's say a good guy shoots a zombie and an innocent receives a pass-through round. The good guy shot an expanding round partially because he didn't want to risk his shot going through somebody and hitting somebody else, then IMO he has absolved himself of any responsibility for the outcome.

I don't know Hoss. There is stuff in there about junk, rubber and carpet. I think the poster may be talking about having safe sex with an ungroomed female.

Yeah, over penetration resulted in the loss of a $500 water heater for me. I was decocking my 1911 when the hammer slipped through my fingers in my bedroom. Shot my Tempurpedic mattress, the wall and terminated the water heater with an FMJ 230 45 ACP.

Simple, a good cop wants to live and protect but if he does kill, he is raked over the coals. Rev Al and Obumber will try him without facts. See what is going on since our cops now fear to protect. They get what they deserve in those cities.
I will stand behind our LEO's every step. Need a .50 BMG, so be it. Poor performance from a gun has killed more good people then anything.
I am old and if you steal a horse you should hang. No political correct junk.
Do you know how many of our troops were killed by being issued a Mattel gun that would not shoot through a tree or jungle? The AK was better.
To limit power is only to please the liberal creeps.
No, I would not shoot a creep if a woman and child was behind him but I might die too. Your choice.
Since most can't hit anyway even if a bullet stops in a creep. Who says the bystander is safe? Real life is to kill when a threat is there. Taze a creep that dies, tough, he should not have done wrong. I'm harsh and looters should be taken out before they leave the stores they loot.

I can't pee in my backyard without a satellite seeing me. Yet the Islamic creeps cut off heads and they are not bombed. I just pulled a picture of me in the yard with my dog. Why do they know what I am doing?

The problem wasn't over penetration of the bullet.

I have different weapons loaded differently depending on my needs. Ikered 2 shotguns load 1 with 000 buck, the other nickel plated 6 shot also my handgun as well as an AR-15. I will pick the appropriate one for the task at hand.

I keep reading scholarly articles that say when a man has to draw and shoot, the necessity usually comes as a surprise and there's only time to react.

How many here think they're going to drop their pistol and put their hands up because somebody's standing 20-25 yards away on the other side of the armed bad guy?

How many here think they're going to see anybody except the armed bad guy?

Edited to add: replied to Blue, but directed to all

That's the way it'll work if you want to survive.

…..actually Clint and Ayoob are pretty good friends---they don't agree on a lot of stuff……I've got a pretty funny Ayoob-at-Thunder Ranch story, but I won't tell it here…..too many jumpers-on of bandwagons!!

No wonder you hate Colt's…..now it all makes sense….

….you obviously should be teaching logic at the local University……ethics or military history could be your fall-back curricula…...