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....and that earlier post was a big win, with the judge awarding $200K out of the pockets of the people who launched a frivolous lawsuit against firearms retailers. So the even bigger story is: Apparently, most of the gun laws in Puerto Rico have been struck down as unconstitutional. Up until now, they had some seriously restrictive laws. Much more info here.
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Doesn't Puerto Rico have their own Constitution? They have a 2nd Amendment?
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Puerto Rico has a very stringent and restrictive licensing process necessary in order to purchase a firearm in Puerto Rico. A person has to be 21 to get a weapons license along with several other requirements. A person must present a sworn statement attesting to compliance with fiscal laws, purchase a $100 internal revenue stamp, submit 3 statements from community members who aren't related to them attesting to their good reputation, submit a signed application that is notarized, be fingerprinted and photographed, and submit a negative certificate of debt to the child support administration.[3] That process is just to be able to purchase firearms to store in a residence or business and not for a concealed carry permit. In order to acquire a concealed carry permit a person must first have a Target shooting license and then appear before a Judge and present proof of a strong reason for a permit. Due to this process, in many cases concealed carry permit applications are denied. As such Puerto Rico is considered to be an effective "No Issue" territory for concealed carry permits except for in exceptional cases despite the official "may issue" policy. Recently there has been an uptick in weapons license applications with a 56% increase from 2013. The Puerto Rican Police attribute the increase to the fear of being targeted by criminals in Puerto Rico.[4]
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Reading the link it sounds as if Puerto Rico now has what all Americans should have concerning firearms.
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Denton,
I think we are finally coming to the point where push meets shove in legal wrangling over firearms.
Heller v DC established two things unequivocally: 2A provides a right to arms for self defense and 2A is also intended to provide a means to restrain the hand of government. Specifically articulated as individual rights, neither tethered to any form of organized military service.
Given a social obligation to protect, it is reasonable that violent criminals and mentally ill citizens may be restricted.
It becomes next to impossible to legally permit self defense while circumscribing how, when, where etc without going into absurd semantic gymnastics.
It likewise borders on impossible to restrain the hand without defining some sort of parity.
I believe we are in for some very interesting and very favorable decisions as these cases establish the parameters bounding the right to self defense and the right to restrain the hand established by Heller.
It is beyond question that police/civilian interactions do result in police use of force that results in criminal taking of life by police against civilians simply exercising their rights. That's the simplest bluntest collision of the right to self defense and the right to restrain the hand and 2A.
I expect a full on frontal assault on 2A in attempt to repeal before too long with Heller being the root cause.
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whatever we do with regards to the attempt to straighten out gun laws in America better happen soon. We are one Supreme Court Judge away from a total Constitutional disaster. A packed liberal court will destroy the Constitution, and America.
Progressives/liberals/socialists are the most dedicated, implacable foes America has ever faced.
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We are one Supreme Court Judge away from a total Constitutional disaster Another anti-gun Justice would not be a good thing, but take comfort in the fact that Obama will not get to appoint one. It's late in his last term, and the Senate would probably stonewall such an appointment. Then too, Heller and McDonald are "settled law". SCOTUS is exceedingly unlikely to reverse itself on them. The doctrine is that it is better to live with a decision you may not like than it is to have a constantly turbulent legal landscape. We probably have another 20 years of interesting decisions flowing out of Heller and McDonald. We won't like all of them, but we will like a large majority of them. I would just love to see the Dems make gun control a major campaign issue. It's a proven vote loser for them. More people support 2A than not.
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BELLEVUE, WA – A surprising victory for gun rights in Puerto Rico has eliminated the firearms registry and licensing requirements to purchase and carry in the Commonwealth, the Second Amendment Foundation has confirmed.
As of now, according to Sandra Barreras with Ladies of the Second Amendment (LSA), the group that brought the lawsuit, “there is no regulation to purchase or carry (and) all purchases will be handled in accordance with federal firearms regulations.” LSA is affiliated with SAF through the International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights (IAPCAR).
The class-action lawsuit challenged various articles in Puerto Rico’s gun law, which the court declared unconstitutional. Because of the ruling, Barreras said, Puerto Ricans may now carry openly or concealed without a permit, and they do not need to obtain a permit before purchasing a firearm.
This was a class action lawsuit involving more than 850 individual plaintiffs, she reported to SAF offices. The news was greeted with delight, especially because in reaching its decision, the court cited the Heller and McDonald Supreme Court cases, and the recent ruling in Palmer v. District of Columbia. Both the McDonald and Palmer cases were won by SAF.
“Cumbersome firearms regulations have never prevented criminals from getting their hands on guns,” noted SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “They have only inconvenienced law-abiding citizens, or deprived them outright from exercising their rights under the Second Amendment.”
Gottlieb said the lawsuit was brought in a Puerto Rican Commonwealth court, rather than a federal court. Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory and thus is subject to federal court jurisdiction.
“This case turned out better than anyone had really anticipated,” he commented. “We’re very pleased to have played an advisory role in this case, and if there is a government appeal, we’ll definitely be there with whatever support we can provide to our good friends in Puerto Rico.”
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That really is a huge win.
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A Territory gets it.
When is Communist Mexifornia going to GET IT.
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BELLEVUE, WA – A surprising victory for gun rights in Puerto Rico has eliminated the firearms registry and licensing requirements to purchase and carry in the Commonwealth, the Second Amendment Foundation has confirmed.
As of now, according to Sandra Barreras with Ladies of the Second Amendment (LSA), the group that brought the lawsuit, “there is no regulation to purchase or carry (and) all purchases will be handled in accordance with federal firearms regulations.” LSA is affiliated with SAF through the International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights (IAPCAR).
The class-action lawsuit challenged various articles in Puerto Rico’s gun law, which the court declared unconstitutional. Because of the ruling, Barreras said, Puerto Ricans may now carry openly or concealed without a permit, and they do not need to obtain a permit before purchasing a firearm.
This was a class action lawsuit involving more than 850 individual plaintiffs, she reported to SAF offices. The news was greeted with delight, especially because in reaching its decision, the court cited the Heller and McDonald Supreme Court cases, and the recent ruling in Palmer v. District of Columbia. Both the McDonald and Palmer cases were won by SAF.
“Cumbersome firearms regulations have never prevented criminals from getting their hands on guns,” noted SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “They have only inconvenienced law-abiding citizens, or deprived them outright from exercising their rights under the Second Amendment.”
Gottlieb said the lawsuit was brought in a Puerto Rican Commonwealth court, rather than a federal court. Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory and thus is subject to federal court jurisdiction.
“This case turned out better than anyone had really anticipated,” he commented. “We’re very pleased to have played an advisory role in this case, and if there is a government appeal, we’ll definitely be there with whatever support we can provide to our good friends in Puerto Rico.” The only possible downside to this is if there is a large increase in criminal gun related violence...its going to be seen as a kind of large scale social experiment on the pro's and cons of "gun control"...
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The only possible downside to this is if there is a large increase in criminal gun related violence...its going to be seen as a kind of large scale social experiment on the pro's and cons of "gun control"... I think that's true. Puerto Rico has a homicide rate 5X that of the whole country. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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If they count the bad guys killed in self defence the numbers could go up for a while.
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That really is a huge win. Mammoth..and excellent news!!
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