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They will likely reject the latest bailout proposal, and that puts them where? Out of the Eurozone? If they do pull out, will chaos and confusion reign? Will they get crippling inflation?

A large part of this mess stems from the prosperity and enormous amount of foriegn money that poured into Greec between 2000-2007. Greece was doing well and the gov't spent money like a drunken sailor on an long awaited shoreleave. No it is demanded that they cut back, and they won't do it.

So what happens next??


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It sounds like they're going to have company while going down. Check out this article on how Puerto Rico is on the verge of joining them. The difference is that the US taxpayers will likely be forced to bail out PR. PUERTO RICO It's another case of a government spending beyond it's means.


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Greece is basically telling the rest of Europe that if they will not fund the extravagant Greek lifestyle, Greece it going to go join Russia. I say let them go join Russia. After a decade of Putin, they will be back.


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My question is where does Putin get the cash to bail them out? The collapse of crude oil prices has hit Russia hard. Military action drains the $$.

Putin is no one you want to get into bed with.


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we are not talking huge sums here. Just a couple of billion Euros will do the job right now. This is not an altruistic offer, it's pure propaganda.


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My hope is for that idiotic Euro zone and the Euro to go away. Let every country have their own currency again/


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
It sounds like they're going to have company while going down. Check out this article on how Puerto Rico is on the verge of joining them. The difference is that the US taxpayers will likely be forced to bail out PR. PUERTO RICO It's another case of a government spending beyond it's means.


Puerto Rico's economy is in the toilet right now and a lot of their population is looking to relocate to the U.S. Their rate of disability is off the charts well.

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The Greek govt likes to play chicken with the rest of Europe. They may find out real soon that's not going to work forever.

Your everyday Greek person hates the Athens govt, especially the islanders. For example, Crete is virtually self-sufficient, but has Athens shoved down their throats.


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"The difference is that the US taxpayers will likely be forced to bail out PR. PUERTO RICO"

Our Federal Reserve bailed out Greece too! They loaned money to European banks who then loaned it to Greece..

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Government simply allowing it's people to live beyond their means and not earn their keep. Socialism at it's finest.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
........ It's another case of a government spending beyond it's means.


I'm sure glad our government is not doing that wink


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Originally Posted by hatari
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A large part of this mess stems from the prosperity and enormous amount of foriegn money that poured into Greec between 2000-2007. Greece was doing well and the gov't spent money like a drunken sailor on an long awaited shoreleave. No it is demanded that they cut back, and they won't do it.

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This was an open secret when the EU formally enjoined with Greece in what, '06 or '07 timeframe abouts? - that they were essentially subsidizing the country to make it look like a decent "acquisition" on paper. Financially, looked foolish then as now. Geopolitically, I suppose it always comes back to the implications of the Russians moving in if we don't. 1. how likely is that, and 2. What the impact of that would be, would be interested to learn more about. Because as it stands, I don't follow how the EU figured to benefit from ties to Greece.


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Greece like other socialist nations ran out of other peoples money to spend. 25% unemployment 50% tax rate and no hope for the next generation. Pretty soon they will like Venezuela and be standing in line with ration coupons for toilet paper. America is on the same track, in fact we have more public debt per capita than Greece frown


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This situation interests me because in 3 weeks I'll be in Greece on vacation. We booked a tour months ago and it's too late to back out now. We are wondering if we'll have difficulty accessing money after hearing about ATM limiting funds and banks closed. We're going to take more Euros with us than we initially planned. Hopefully they are still accepting them then. It'll be an adventure, just not sure it'll be an enjoyable one.

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Originally Posted by cooper57m
This situation interests me because in 3 weeks I'll be in Greece on vacation. We booked a tour months ago and it's too late to back out now. We are wondering if we'll have difficulty accessing money after hearing about ATM limiting funds and banks closed. We're going to take more Euros with us than we initially planned. Hopefully they are still accepting them then. It'll be an adventure, just not sure it'll be an enjoyable one.


I'm sure Euros will still work, but you might need to bring lots of cash because the banks might be closed. I was in Athens Greece last year for 3 days, it has been one of my favorite places to visit. If you like history you will have a blast. Cash gets you a discount in lots of places in Greece because they don't report it and pay taxes on it, so cash is good to have anyway wink I would probably throw in some mountain house meals in case you run into food service disruptions, but I wouldn't be afraid to visit if you plan ahead.






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Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Greece like other socialist nations ran out of other peoples money to spend. 25% unemployment 50% tax rate and no hope for the next generation. Pretty soon they will like Venezuela and be standing in line with ration coupons for toilet paper. America is on the same track, in fact we have more public debt per capita than Greece frown


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Originally Posted by White_Bear
Government simply allowing it's people to live beyond their means and not earn their keep. Socialism at it's finest.

Coming to a country near you.....



well yeah. but most well-paid urbanites and suburbanites have no clue. such subjects weren't taught in gov't schools, so how could they possibly know? it's not their fault.]

if the Urth was about four (4) times it's current size, the existing human population distributed across various failed, and not yet failed countries might have a chance at sustainability.

if Greece does become a failed State, we will add them to the existing list of failed states. so what's the problem, exactly?


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In two weeks you might be able to buy a Greel Island for the change lost under your sofa at home.


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