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Learn more about the bailout before you simplify it, do not let brand loyalty color your opinion. Ford supported the bailout because they benefited and may not have survived without it. The auto biz is way more intertwined than most know. Many of the smaller vendors serve multiple companies, many component manufacturers are divisions of the big three and they all share some parts. If the other two went down ford may well have followed. Along with many jobs, and most of those are not US but people in small shops scattered all over the country. Sorry to sidetract the thread. Take a deep breath.... LOL, I simply asked a question. I got an answer I guess. Like I said, I have no clue what the dis at Ford was, just wondering since I dont' follow news since its almost all liberal. Thanks for the input. I am not and never have been brand loyal because I've seen great and junk from about every manufacturer over the years, I go with what is the best for my money. rost, you're "discussing" this with a unionista.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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You guys are all missing the brilliance of this. Buy a bunch of US flags, trade them for those "Evil Confederate flags" then sell those "Evil Confederate flags" on the black market for five hundred bucks each. So, soon the only place to buy a confederate flag will be on the black market? Oh, the irony... John
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Would be cool if some enterprising individuals set up stands just outside of the Race Track and sold Confederate Flags to race fans as they passed by.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Brian France will eventually kill nascar, just give him time. He already has IMO. Mike Since the France family owns NASCAR, they can do with it what they want. That said, whatever the France family decided to do with NASCAR, the team owners, drivers, and fans will continue to do what they are doing today, if for no other reason than there isn't any alternative league to join. Killing NASCAR doesn't sound like a bad thing to me, it's not as if NASCAR adds any value to anything.
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Daytona International Speedway will not ban the Confederate flag but will offer a flag exchange for fans attending this weekend’s NASCAR races there.
WTF is wrong with this country?
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Taking the Battle Flag out of NASCAR makes about as much sense as taking game mounts out of Gander Mountain.
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This whole Nascar thing reminds me of the outdoor expo in PA that banned AR15 rifles before the show... The public and the vendors boycotted the show, and the show folded. A new show replaced it with much success. The promoters that banned AR 15's in the show were also the ones that put on SHOT Show. They lost that contract as well. Gotta hit 'em in the pocketbook if you expect to do any damage. 
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This whole Nascar thing reminds me of the outdoor expo in PA that banned AR15 rifles before the show... The public and the vendors boycotted the show, and the show folded. A new show replaced it with much success. The promoters that banned the show were also the ones that put on SHOT Show. They lost that contract as well. Gotta hit 'em in the pocketbook if you expect to do any damage. THIS!
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Look it up.
The France Family OWNS NASCAR, so it really is "HIS" sport. They also own International Speedway Corporation, the umbrella company that owns 13 race tracks. Good. Then if NASCAR takes a hit with shrinking attendance and merchandise sales, it will hit the intended target directly.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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Daytona International Speedway will not ban the Confederate flag but will offer a flag exchange for fans attending this weekend’s NASCAR races there.
WTF is wrong with this country? F'ing Communists masquerading as demoncraps.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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Daytona International Speedway will not ban the Confederate flag but will offer a flag exchange for fans attending this weekend’s NASCAR races there.
WTF is wrong with this country? F'ing Communists masquerading as demoncraps. Liberals, socialists, Marxists, communists, democrats... Same thing. Just splitting hairs. Add RINO's to the list too.
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So, soon the only place to buy a confederate flag will be on the black market?
Oh, the irony...
The "Black Market" has requested that in the future, they be identified as the "Really Just Dark Grey Market", since the term Black Market is racist in origin and not really representative of who the Black Market really is in today's society. The Really Just Dark Grey Market would also like to add that they still, as always, accept peoples money without regard to race, color or creed. ![[Linked Image]](http://media1.shmoop.com/media/images/large/slave-auction-sign.jpg)
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I can see the race tracks banning the flags because NASCAR will put heat on the tracks to ban any flags on the private property the track owns. NASCAR owns several tracks. You put up a confederate flag, and you will be asked to take it down or leave. This will happen. Tracks have way too much invested in losing the revenue from a NASCAR race.
It will all come down to private property owners having rules enforcing no confederate flags. Of course, you will see a million of them in the camping areas especially in places like Talledaga that have free camping across from the track.
JMO
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It will all come down to private property owners having rules enforcing no confederate flags. Of course, you will see a million of them in the camping areas especially in places like Talledaga that have free camping across from the track.
First amendment rights do not end when you cross onto private property. If the "private owner" lets the public onto his racetrack, he can't pick and choose. Are they going to ban Battle Flag T-shirts and Hats? They will soon find themselves wrapped up in a court battle....
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It will all come down to private property owners having rules enforcing no confederate flags. Of course, you will see a million of them in the camping areas especially in places like Talledaga that have free camping across from the track.
First amendment rights do not end when you cross onto private property. If the "private owner" lets the public onto his racetrack, he can't pick and choose. Are they going to ban Battle Flag T-shirts and Hats? They will soon find themselves wrapped up in a court battle.... Like the kid that was expelled from school for wearing an NRA t-shirt?
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It will all come down to private property owners having rules enforcing no confederate flags. Of course, you will see a million of them in the camping areas especially in places like Talledaga that have free camping across from the track.
First amendment rights do not end when you cross onto private property. If the "private owner" lets the public onto his racetrack, he can't pick and choose. Are they going to ban Battle Flag T-shirts and Hats? They will soon find themselves wrapped up in a court battle.... I'll be honest and say I don't know how the laws would work. However, if I allow someone onto my property and they start putting up signs or behaving in a way I don't approve of, would I not have the right to kick them off? Clyde
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It will all come down to private property owners having rules enforcing no confederate flags. Of course, you will see a million of them in the camping areas especially in places like Talledaga that have free camping across from the track.
First amendment rights do not end when you cross onto private property. If the "private owner" lets the public onto his racetrack, he can't pick and choose. Are they going to ban Battle Flag T-shirts and Hats? They will soon find themselves wrapped up in a court battle.... I'll be honest and say I don't know how the laws would work. However, if I allow someone onto my property and they start putting up signs or behaving in a way I don't approve of, would I not have the right to kick them off? Clyde No real idea either, but it would seem that if they allow the public onto their track for a race, they have to accept them all. They might be able to remove a flag because it's a nuisance or in the way of a camera, or some other BS, but if fans start having flags on their person, not sure if they can do anything...
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I don't know jack chit about NASCAR but if they get more than a handful of Battle Flags turned in and exchanged for the US flag I'll be pretty surprised.
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if you look at the term: NASCAR, as racing term, it is by its very construct a group of racist fans.... racing fans, racists... its a word game. now its a takeoff of that great john wayne movie: the shootist... shooter shootist. racer racist. I would not be surprised if a complete reverse effect comes about: time to push back at the word bigots aka PC police.
word policing, whether symbols or words, is no longer a slippery slope. it has become a cliff. one misstep and people are boycotted, fired, ostracized,.
how about we start a new group of bigots: PCists... pissyists.
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