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.If Texas knocks it down and builds a Walmart there, the worst that will happen is ..

Your concern should be the Feds and why they have a finger in this particular Texan pie...

It's different when the big central authority comes at you isn't it? Just like it was when Lincoln invaded Virginia.

I thought it was the other half million Americans that invaded Virginia, trying to preserve the Union.

But hey, as long as Bexar County doesn't decide to secede, and take the Alamo with it, I'm good.

Birdwatcher

A little hypocrisy at work here isn't there? Not too much fun when its your ox gettin gored is it?

Pardon my stupid-llary. But, why the ph ukk would we let the UN have any say at all about a National Monument, the Alamo?

What next? Controlling National Parks like Everglades and Yellowstone?

Your position is that the Union was not the collective heritage and property of all Americans.

The South participated in the free and fair election of November of 1860, but when they didn't like the results, decided to take their ball and go home. Except a majority of Americans at the time felt it weren't their ball to take or that subsequent war would have never happened. The fact that it turned out to be as bloody and bitterly contested as it was is indicative of the depth of sentiment on both sides.

As stated, Bexar County isn't actually proposing to take possession of the Alamo away from all Americans.

Birdwatcher

For years certain elements push for the five San Antonio Missions to be on the United Nation's list of World Heritage Sites.

Last year the State of Texas takes over management of the Alamo from the Daughters of the Republic of Texas, Phil Collins donates his large collection of Alamo-related artifacts with the understanding a museum would be established to house them, and the State sets up a coalition of prominent business leaders to raise 250 million for an entire revamp/restoration of the original Alamo grounds, now buried under buildings, pavement, flower beds and a cenotaph on the Alamo Plaza.

Plans are to restore the south and west walls of the old compound (removing a section of a street, and some 1880's storefronts and buildings), and to make the old multi-story Post Office building over the original north wall into a museum.

Enter the Feds, and the UN....

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2015/07/244631.htm



Why does this matter?
Here's the UN regs regarding World Heritage sites...

http://whc.unesco.org/archive/opguide13-en.pdf

86. In relation to authenticity, the reconstruction of
archaeological remains or historic buildings or districts is
justifiable only in exceptional circumstances. Reconstruction
is acceptable only on the basis of complete and detailed
documentation and to no extent on conjecture.

The middle aged lady who is head of the San Antonio Conservation Society raised this objection at a city meeting headed by the very partisan Democrat then-Mayor Julian Castro not too long ago. She opposed any alterations, I dunno her politics.

Dammit, we gotta get this thing done while it can BE done. Already the National Park Service doesn't allow "confrontational" historical reenactments at the four missions it controls.

Fortunately it is difficult to imagine Gov. Abbott, Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush and the rest of the present Texas powers that be giving a rip what the UN says.

But.... applications at least for approval by the UN seem probable, and it gives the Feds grounds for objecting.

You don't suppose the present Administration would have any objection to celebrating and restoring something like the Alamo do ya? I mean that could get divisive

Hard to believe this is all coincidence.

Birdwatcher

I just love nice liberal inconsistency.

I am sure when all the local school districts approve of the UN actions you will be just fine with it.

*Sigh*, there's always still snide..... ..and name-calling. Neither of which advances and argument. Which is why I studiously try to avoid the same. Now humor is another thing entirely



Why would I be?

Anyways, have you ever spent any amount of time in Texas?

When the original Travis letter came here I was fortunate enough to be there and get to stand at attention as part of the honor guard (we are all off to the left of this pic, tho' both those guys standing at attention on either side of the doorway are friends of mine, I just saw both of 'em there on the 4th, on their feet for ten hours on the Alamo grounds, voluntarily.



George, who also plays a very good Santa Anna but was kitted-out as a Tejano here, is actually a Baptist Preacher in Laredo. Mike is retired, handles his long rifle particularly well, and is among the most competent guys at period skills that I've seen.

Here's the letter, incredibly well-preserved being it was hustled out on horseback for about eighty miles by two separate couriers, survived those exceedingly chaotic events, somehow ended up back in the hands of family for the next eighty years and then was sold to the state three generations later in time of financial need.



The point of all this being, as long as it was on display the wait time on line to see that letter was three and four hours long.

I was expecting mostly old White guys, the Gettysburg crowd basically.

I was stunned at the number of Black folks and especially the number of Texas Hispanics and their families standing on line, come in from all over the State.

Do not underestimate the pride that Texans take in Texas, including the school districts.

Birdwatcher

Yep, the UN is fine for deciding international (or even domestic) disagreements, so long as you agree with them.

I supported the UN??? In anything??? Where?

It's for the children; that's all the matters, ever.

I just love nice liberal inconsistency. I am sure when all the local school districts approve of the UN actions you will be just fine with it.

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What he is trying to say is that if you can use a subjective and emotional argument, you can harness stupidity.

It's different when the big central authority comes at you isn't it? Just like it was when Lincoln invaded Virginia.