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This is very helpful. Thanks

This was my objective.

Thanks all for your help.

What cartridge are you working with?

The 270 Winchester.

3031 may be a good candidate as well. It's bulkier than 4895, and it's good at moderate pressures.

It was H4895, based on Hodgdon's youth load recommendations.

Did you notice the sentence "DO NOT use H4895 in a cartridge where it has not been shown."?

The .35 Whelen is not shown.

And it still begs the question. 60% of what?

60% of the max load of H4895 for that cartridge.

From their pdf:
"To create this type of target and plinking loads, we recommend our 60% rule with H4895: Refer
to our latest reloading manual or the Reloading Data Center found on this website; take the maximum H4895 charge listed
for any given cartridge and multiply it by 60%."

https://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/H4895%20Reduced%20Rifle%20Loads.pdf

Yes I know that. But if there is no H4895 load, then the question becomes, 60% of what?

Wrong



Apparently reading comprehension is a lost art

"To create this type of target and plinking loads, we recommend our 60% rule with H4895: Refer
to our latest reloading manual or the Reloading Data Center found on this website; take the maximum H4895 charge listed
for any given cartridge and multiply it by 60%."

Hodgdon STATES refer to their manual or Reloading Data Center and take 60% of the max of load of ANY given cartridge, if it has H4895 data.

There are LOTS of H4895 loads listed by Hodgdon for the 35 Whelen.

You people are going off that one sheet, that's just a few examples.

Go to Hodgdons site, they list H4895 loads in the 35 Whelen for 180, 200, 220, 225 and 250 grain loads.


You'll notice in the link you boys are using, it also states SAMPLE LOADS, apparently people don't know what SAMPLE means either.

No I am not going off that sheet. My load with H4895 is with a 130 gr bullet. Not on the sheet. Where I did screw up, is assuming someone else had correctly read the information. Same with the 280. That cartridge is not on the sheet.

Now, I have since found that these reduced loads work great with the 130 gr bullet in the 270. I'm experiencing zero hang fires in it and the 280.

tag

Cut and paste from Hodgdons own document:
"To create this type of target and plinking loads, we recommend our 60% rule with H4895: Refer to our latest reloading manual or the Reloading Data Center found on this website; take the maximum H4895 charge listed for any given cartridge and multiply it by 60%."

Their loading guide they refer to has loads for H4895 and the 35 Whelen. I used their data based exclusively on their documentation. How did I misread anything they published?

Sorry I misunderstood.

Weird that you got hangfires. What bullet and primer? Was your brass new or previously fired?

Muledeer,

I was using a Remington 200 grain PSPCL, Remington previously fired (in this rifle) brass and CCI 200 primers. I can't remember if the brass was partial or full resized.

BTW
I'm not wishing to stir the pot, just here to learn. Hope my tone wasn't combative since that's not my intent.

No, it was my fault for apparently having a brain fart, which happens more often at my age.

So you were using around 34 grains of H4895?

I too suffer from flatulistic events in the cerebral regions. What is it they say about the dullest pencil keeping better records than the sharpest mind?

I didn't save the notes since I considered the load a dead end. However, using a max of 56 grains for that bullet would have put me at 34 grains (rounding up from 33.6) to start.

The brass has previously been used with full power loads in the same rifle so the brass fit the chamber without any excessive headspace and that lot of primers had no other misfires. Since the rifle went down the road for other reasons, I can't repeat the test.

Thanks for the details. Guess it will just have to go down as one of those mysteries!