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no, arizona does not.
As to utah doing it, I have no problem with it at all.
I hope rocky will forgive me for this but....
I was raised around mormons, part of my family are mormons, I am not. If there was one single group i would generally trust without thought it would be some of my mormon friends.
There is more than one side to that mt meadows incident, given the period it happened.
On the other hand, I am surprised noone has filed some kind of lawsuit in utah over this.

come to think of it, while it is not an official holiday, cinco de mayo is rather widely celebrated, even among the gringo's.

If it's such a great UTAH holiday, why are so darn many Utahans here in Wyoming this weekend?

Honestly it doesn't bother me, but Alpine was literally swamped with people last evening. A large percentage were folks from Utah up for the weekend. We normally see quite a few but there had to be at least double the normal number. Merchants were making a killing in Alpine last night.

Even with copious amounts of Tequila, Cinco de Mayo isn't a religous holiday.

Yep, only 22 days til rifle season for Whitetails here.

John

How about LA/New Orleans and pre-lent? Cheers NC

The big issue is whether Brigham Young knew about it or ordered it. That is what historians seem to fight over. Not that two wrong make a right, but the Mormons were treated pretty badly in Missouri and Illinois. Read up on Hahn's Mill Massacre.

Jordan

SRM, the influx (for you, out flow for us) could either be non-Mormon Utahns or just a whole lotta folks wanting to take advantage of another three-day weekend. Probably some of each.

northcountry, you're the third guy to mention Mardi Gras. RTWFT

I don't know about that, i can remember some times with mescal south of the border where I thought i had found God.

There was one time down in Rosarita where I thought I was going to MEET God!

yeah but on May 6th you probably have more people holding their head and saying "oh dear God"


so I'd have to vote for May 6th

John Lee, who led the massacre, stated in his memoirs that Young knew all about it from the start. He also denied that Young knew about it until after the fact. Lee was obviously lying in one or the other.
The fact that Lee wasn't tried until 20 years after the murders, after Young had died, it leaves some good questions about whether they were trying to protect Young during his lifetime.

Lots of people were treated badly back in those days. Regardless, approaching someone under a flag of truce, telling them "trust us, lay down your arms and we will safely escort you from our area and then return your belongings", then murdering all of them shortly after they complied is a pretty evil thing to do. Men, women, and children. Some of the children younger than 7 years of age were spared. Regardless of anything else, it was pretty evil. John Lee likely knew all there was to know about it, including whether Brigham Young ultimately okayed the massacre. Lee was conveniently removed to a desolate place on the Colorado River that became Lee's Ferry. After the Civil War was over, criticism for the massacre became news again. It wouldn't go away. And John Lee became the sacrificial lamb for the Mormon's. He was the scapegoat. The Mormon's themselves tried him, convicted him, and sentenced him to death, and they killed him. There is a photograph in existence that shows him sitting on his casket prior to being shot to death.

Nearly all major religions have some pretty sordid atrocities in their histories, perpetrated by the practitioners of those religions.

Yes, as do the secular movements. In fact, I think the secular genocidal convulsions far outnumber the religious ones, at least in terms of total deaths. Regardless, its evil.

If the Mormons want to celebrate on the 24th why should anyone outside their beliefs care?

As to the Mountain Massacre, I had blood related family killed there, and we suspect my wife's family had some on the other side.

Interesting as my uncle since passed in his late 80's was born in Arkansas and told me of the old folks telling him the story when he was a boy. Some of them knew the story well, some of the folks or their direct descendants, which he passed along to me many years ago.
Years later as an accident searching Ancestry.Com I came across the connection and it was relatives. Some were the small children that survived, and later returned just as my uncle had said.

Some of the wife's family moved to eastern Idaho from southern Utah in the MM area in about the correct time frame as to have been involved, and it is known some of those involved folks did leave that area soon after.

Sometimes a small interconnected world we live in.

Enjoy people of Utah, celebrate!

St Patrick's Day in Montana. At least Silver Bow County!

Sycamore

Non-Mormon taxpayers that have state related business to attend?

Every State has a holiday. California's is Sept. 9th. All State workers get the day off and a lot of businesses too.

Get over yourself.

I'll be at Lee's Ferry on Aug 29th and 30th, utilizing Mr. Lee's launch spot. He was the only person who was convicted and executed for the massacre.

My non-Mormon friends call it Pie & Beer Day. Get over it.

How far down the river are you going?

My remembrance of Lees Ferry was it was hot as hades.