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Originally Posted by Royce
I'd like to see a cost comparison for buying a new 1/2 ton Chevy, Dodge, Ford and Toyota, driving it for 100,000 miles in five years, then selling each truck. Consider every cost, gas, repairs, original cost minus value after five years, all driven under same conditions, etc, etc, etc.
My guess is that the Toyota Tundra would hold its own.


Maybe - but I tend to keep mine a lot longer than that. I wouldn't expect many repairs on any of them in 5y / 100k miles these days. All you have to do is look at used car truck listings these days to find any of them with a lot of miles still pulling in more than I'd want to pay for a used vehicle with high miles.


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I don't see how 16-18 is not great on a 5.7L 1/2 ton.




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It wasn't in 2009 when it was introduced, but it's far behind the pack today. Most of the newer trucks get surprisingly good fuel economy. My 5.3L 4x4 GMC is rated at 22mpg and it gets that with ease. Very rare I've had a tank under 20 mpg (checked against hand calculating), and I've gotten 24 mpg on a tank headed to Florida before.

My Brother in Law has a 2012 4x4 Tundra and he gets 13 city 16 highway and it's not like he's a speed demon either. That's on par with the numbers I got from my 2004 FX4 5.4L Ford, which again didn't seem terrible at the time but stands out today.


I'm curious as to what year your 5.3 GMC is. I drive a company truck, a 2011 or 12 with a 5.3 and if it gets 17 mpg I'd be surprised. Plus, it has no where near the towing ability of the Tundra. I understand that the latest 5.3 has received a HP boost to get it closer to the Tundra's 5.7. Maybe that'll help it in the towing dept.

My point is, a smaller engine with less output probably should get better mileage than a larger, more powerful one.


2014 and yes it's lighter than your truck and has more HP with a flatter torque curve. 355 hp / vs 380hp isn't much difference, especially when the Tundra is heavier than the newest crop of GM / Ford trucks.

None have anywhere near the towing capacity of a diesel. I've pulled 7500# with my truck before and it didn't have any problem but if I were consistently pulling that weight I would have just bought a diesel. Any 2500 / 250 series Diesel truck will make a half ton look downright wimpy in the towing department.

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My uncle's real world (not internet world) fuel mileage in his 2014 Ford Ecoboost is 17-19 mpg highway, FWIW, and our Z-71's get 15/18.5, and Ford F150 V8's get about 14/18. As I mentioned earlier my '14 tundra crew 4x4 gets 14/17-18 depending on speed. With today's schittty ethanol gasolines, that's about as good as you'll do IMO.


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Here's my real world (not internet world) gas mileage. As with anything in life YMMV

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JG,

Last week, I drove a 2015 Silverado 1/2 ton with a V6 for 500 miles, and it averaged 23 over the 500 miles based on the actual pump numbers. It was all interstate driving. It was a comfortable ride with adequate power, but not sure how it would do with much of a load, especially off pavement or up an incline.



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Originally Posted by JGRaider
and Ford F150 V8's get about 14/18.


The pic below is not uncommon on my 2014 F-150 4X4 Supercrew w/3.55s, though I'd say 20 on the highway is average.

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and Ford F150 V8's get about 14/18.


The pic below is not uncommon on my 2014 F-150 4X4 Supercrew w/3.55s, though I'd say 20 on the highway is average.

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With stock tires my wife's RAM 1500 with the 5.7 would do that. With 34" AT's she is getting about 17.


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I took my Tundra to Hilton Head, SC the week of July 4th. I averaged 14 mpg running around on the island, 18.1 mpg on the way down, and 18.3 mpg on the way back to VA. These were hand calculated figures but the computer was within a couple tenths. The roads traveled to and from were I-95, US 220 and US 29. I set the cruise 5 mph over the posted speed limit and rolled along.


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That's pretty decent, VAhuntr. The fuel economy reports had my shy away from the Tundra. I'll be interested to see what they have on the market next time I'm ready to buy.


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2014 Ecoboost F-150 Supercrew, 4x4 with 3.73's. This is just after filling up, on a trip leg between Houston & Dallas. Speeds varied, some at 60, some at 75-80.

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I am surprised that Toyota has done little since introducing the truck. They must be selling just fine. I have been eyeballing a new Chevy/GMC with the 6.2 litre and 3.43 gearing. Not interested in Ford's EcoBoost and I will not touch a Dodge. The voice will be Chevy or Toyota.


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I guess it depends on your definition of selling well, The Tundra had one year where it almost beat the GMC Sierra (2007) which has always been the 4th best seller in the US. It makes sense that Toyota isn't going to dump a large portion of their R&D budget into a truck that is consistently at the bottom of the pack of truck sales.


http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2015/06/best-selling-pickup-trucks-may-2015.html

I didn't even know Nissan was still selling Titans.

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Originally Posted by maggie
Anybody driving one? Your likes, dislikes? Running 0% finance for 48 mos right now, got me looking at them. Thanks.


2013 Rock Warrior Double Cab. Probably pretty close.

Likes; These and many more-
Quiet, ride, power, adjustable headlights, heated mirrors, night mirrors, rear view camera, as much rear seat room as our Camry, the limited slip is the nicest factory setup I have used, the reduced effort tailgate is handy for one hand loading, pretty good tires from the factory.

Middling;
I wanted it got the same gas mileage as my 1981 4x4 Toyota longbed did. Both on and off road. It doesn't. I got over it. It does better than my '94 k-2500 Silverado though so life is good.

My wife loves it but doesn't like to drive it. I was going to get a less decked out model [I wanted a 60/40 split front bench-still do]. The problem with this arose when she didn't want me to take it deer and elk hunting last year. It was "too nice". I did take it sage ratting and other low risk hunts. She's over it.

Dislikes;
It sits higher than I like. My 94 Silverado is more to my liking. If I wanted a lift kit I could have had one installed. It required a step for my wife to enter and exit easily. I sidehill more than I go through rough stuff and roll angles are a more important problem to me.

The box is deeper than I like. Reaching in is a pain and the taller tailgate interfered with the jacks on my horse and utility trailers. It was OK with the travel trailer hitch as it is slightly extended.

The front suspension does not provide room for chains. This is my biggest bitch. I have needed to chain up all four several times in the past and not being able to do so on this one gives me doubts about getting through some
conditions. I believe they should change this. The same is true for the Tacomas [one reason I keep my '98].


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WTH......do you guys getting that 20+ mpg ever go over 60mph on the highway? grin

I'll get 20 mpg going 60mph, but our highway speed limits are mostly 75.


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I have a 2014 F250 with the 6.2 gasser and I get 65 MPG doing 85MPH into the wind but I have my mirrors pulled in and tailgate down...


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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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Originally Posted by JGRaider
WTH......do you guys getting that 20+ mpg ever go over 60mph on the highway? grin

I'll get 20 mpg going 60mph, but our highway speed limits are mostly 75.


I usually run 75 on highways, but if I run more than about 60 in a 45 zone around here I'm going to get some unwanted attention! smile

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One thing about my Tundra is it has the towing package on it. This includes among other things a gear ratio of, I believe, 4.30. This is great for towing and no doubt helps the Tundra tow as well as it does. But, it hurts overall mileage both while towing and while not. So, it's pretty much a mater of "There is no free lunch". I know a 3/4 ton diesel would no doubt do better overall but I just didn't want to spend the extra money it would cost, which was considerable, in 2007.

For what it is worth I have never talked with a Tundra owner who complained about its towing ability, but I have talked with some owners of other 1/2 ton pickups who were a little disappointed with their trucks ability to tow in the mountain passes we have in the west. Towing at 6000 to 9000 feet can humble a 1/2 ton pickup but I am quite satisfied with the performance of my Tundra. Yes the mileage is from 8-9 MPG but I accept that in exchange for the performance I get towing. When not towing I average from 15-18 with the bulk about in the middle.

Overall I like the truck a lot and for what its original cost was, and what I have had to do to it since, I consider it a great value.


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What is wrong with made in America?
Any car/trunk plants in Montana?

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We outsource to 3rd world countries.

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So, you bought a truck that you like, and now, because it was made in the US, you gonna sell it?
WTF?

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