Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns Case Closed: FBI Says 9mm Is The Best Pistol Round

Carrizo Springs or Eagle Pass, I'll have to ask him to be sure. Or is the question where presently can you get away with having rounds other than the issue Golden Sabre in your spare magazines? It appears the state of Texas is not going to require a change from the 40 to 9MM anyway.

They'd probably let you carry a slingshot and a pocket full of stones in those two schit holes.




Dave

Sadly for some, not everyone will embrace the 38 Special Rimless Short. I am apparently not intuitive enough to grasp why this disturbs people.

This thread has gone silly. How many are currently working for an accredited law enforcement agency that uses wound ballistic work shops with FBI protocol testing to compare ammunition for duty selection and purchase? Of those, how many even participated in a workshop??

If you are not current, or never have, what does it matter, or how does it apply to you, unless you are being shot at by someone who is a current le officer.

About as silly as people bitching and moaning over the current weapons the military selects, when those same people are no longer in the military, or never were.

If you are not, you are free to go out in your back 40, to test whatever you like, however you like, to make a personal choice. You can even base your choice on pictures and words on the ammo box. The development of FBI protocols, the LE work shops, and competition by ammo manufacturers to meet those standards, have indeed been a blessing to the LE community. But those are LE needs and LE standards. Yours likely are not and may vary.

GaryVA,
Do you know where you are? You are on a forum in the internet, everything will be ok.

Yep, and I am not even drinking. Guess I'm just as bad, bitching and moaning about those who are bitching and moaning.

No offense taken Gary. I see it like this- with the paying of taxes comes the automatic right to question what that money is being spent on.

this is an excellent remark.

in addition, in my opinion it must be kept in mind that nearly all of the progress/advances within so many of these fields come from the efforts of the civilian sector...

despite the above, i almost always do enjoy Gary's posts and insight--they are typically very well thought out and set forth in writing...

Wow, I'm free at last in the back 40, been waitin' on this day of glory. How about an LE workshop in hittin' something that actually needs hittin' in less than 17 rounds?

16 warning shots should be enough.

Never been in the military, probably too old to ever be, now. I do have concerns about the equipment those folks are issued. They deserve the best tools we can give them. Money, my taxes, is also an issue to be considered.

Law enforcement firearms training and qualifications are weak without a doubt.To keep things in check, bad guys shoot back and move when getting shot at. It's fairly easy to stand in front of a stationary target and slow fire tight groups

I can't get a good two hand grip on a 19, too damn little, the old 21 was okay.

"FBI Says 9mm Is The Best Pistol Round"

I think what they really said was the 9mm was as effective in stopping as the other rounds, and given the increase in capacity of a 9mm handgun to a similarly-sized 40 S&W or 45 ACP handgun, the advantage goes to the 9mm.

I was in the ARMY back in 1974. The Military Police were issued 1911 45 acp handguns.
The women were issued 38 special revolvers.
It seems like not much has changed.
Women want to do a man's job even when they are clearly not capable.

So, the military should move away from "most effective" as our criteria for weapons and ammunition, and instead fall back to Vietnam-era perceptions of "manliness?"

NOT

Sounds like you need a 17. The Gen Fours have interchangeable back straps for any size hand.

The 9mm like and other handgun round depends on the bullet you use, just how effective it is as a defense round.

"Bullets matter more than headstamps."

Heard that somewhere...

I agree with GaryVA, law enforcement, military tested and made decisions based on a plethora of reasons. We can dissect these decisions into minutia as old men sometimes do, but it is what it is. I like the 9mm with good bullets, I like the 45 as well but the 9 is fine for lots of reasons. Again just another old mans opinion. I will be taking another training class in January and will use a G43 that is a carry gun that works well for me.