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No one really knows if their choice of carry gun will really will work for them until they actually use it to shoot someone regardless of what they carry
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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I don't shoot people but reading about people's selection criteria is sure entertainment.
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger!
There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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The more I shoot the nine the better I like it. My first choice in a carry gun today is my Glock 19 I can't get a good two hand grip on a 19, too damn little, the old 21 was okay. Sounds like you need a 17. The Gen Fours have interchangeable back straps for any size hand. Yes, 17 would be better, a nephew bought, and brought out to the farm a new 19, I had forgotten how small they were.
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I dont think I have ever heard the 19 described as "small."
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I dont think I have ever heard the 19 described as "small." Depends on the size of your dickbeaters. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I dont think I have ever heard the 19 described as "small." Yes, can't find a spot to plant my fuggin thumbs on the left side of the short skinny bastage.
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So, the military should move away from "most effective" as our criteria for weapons and ammunition..."
Already happened in 1985. 
Direct Impingement is the Fart Joke of military rifle operating systems. ⓒ
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The military used to issue hardball for the 1/2 90.
What do the FBI agents use for ammunition?
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger!
There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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“Live free or die. Death is not the worst of evils.” - General
John Stark.
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It seems to me that a 45 with premium hollow points would be even better.
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger!
There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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the FBI tests say they are not.
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It seems to me that a 45 with premium hollow points would be even better. Maybe... Is the fractional difference between "better" and "good enough" worth increased gun size, grip size, recoil and decreased magazine capacity? On the surface it seems cut and dried but when you start peeling back the layers the subject gets more complex.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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the FBI tests say they are not. The best loads in a 45 +P leaves a larger wound channel in game than does a 9 and slightly out penetrates the 9. The 9 recoils less and has more magazine capacity. Take your pick on which is better, but it ain't ballisticaly better.
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the FBI tests say they are not. The best loads in a 45 +P leaves a larger wound channel in game than diesel a 9 and slightly out penetrates the 9. The 9 recoils less and has more magazine capacity. Take your pick on which is better, but it ain't ballisticaly better. You weren't at the fuel stop putting on 500 gallons when you typed that were ya? 
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I can't tell the FBI what is best for them but the 1911 gives me that warm fuzzy feeling that is either there or it isn't.
Ingram M 10 and 1928 Thompson are similar.
I like fat bullets.
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I can't tell the FBI what is best for them but the 1911 gives me that warm fuzzy feeling that is either there or it isn't.
Ingram M 10 and 1928 Thompson are similar.
I like fat bullets.
whelennut An all steel 1911 handles .45 ACP, recoil-wise, about as well as a Glock 17 does 9mm, so all you're lacking is round capacity and absence of a manual safety. You likely pick up a little in stopping power, though. If that exchange is worth it to you, then the 1911 is for you. Neat old design, so there's that too. Something satisfying about blued steel and wood (I've no plans to sell stock 1961 Colt Government Model). I'll still take a Glock 17, though, for daily concealed carry.
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I can't tell the FBI what is best for them but the 1911 gives me that warm fuzzy feeling that is either there or it isn't.
Ingram M 10 and 1928 Thompson are similar.
I like fat bullets.
whelennut No handgun feels better in my hand than a 1911, the swing or raise to point and fire is effortless.
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the FBI tests say they are not. The best loads in a 45 +P leaves a larger wound channel in game than diesel a 9 and slightly out penetrates the 9. The 9 recoils less and has more magazine capacity. Take your pick on which is better, but it ain't ballisticaly better. You weren't at the fuel stop putting on 500 gallons when you typed that were ya? Dam auto spell got me along with no proof reading.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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the FBI tests say they are not. The best loads in a 45 +P leaves a larger wound channel in game than diesel a 9 and slightly out penetrates the 9. The 9 recoils less and has more magazine capacity. Take your pick on which is better, but it ain't ballisticaly better. You weren't at the fuel stop putting on 500 gallons when you typed that were ya? Dam auto spell got me along with no proof reading. LMAO, Wifey sent me a text one evening informing me "not to lick her out of the house" 
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