Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Are Atheists more honest than Christians?

I hate those Christians making me pray, go to church, no drinking, jail time for cussing, prison for breaking the laws against robbing, raping, pillaging. Hows a guy supposed to have any fun.

Bible writting uneducated camel jocks hearding sheep a few thousand years ago just made lucky guesses about Judah regaining its homeland, being carried to safety as by the wings of an eagle (yam kippor war (sp)), Arabs massing to push them into the sea, numbers of worthless treaties with them, good becoming evil and evil good, and all nations on earth finally turning against Judah and Jerusalem. Oh yeah, and some being too blind to see.

That would be the most skeptical position a person could take. Those with faith would likely take another. It's not a question of honesty, but a question of capacity. Those without faith do not have the capacity to believe for a miracle, unless that event gives them to faith to do so.

That presumes you know all that is possible. That's impossible.

You bring it on yourself.

People often look for evidence (or lack of it) that supports what they already believe...and they filter out anything to the contrary.

once the human species is fully defined, the God or the lack thereof will be much easier to parse out.

I see evidence in the fulfilling of Bible prophesy. Some will be sweating in Hell and still deny there is a Heaven, because they havent seen it.

Matthew 7:13-14New International Version (NIV)

The Narrow and Wide Gates
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

I really think people who like to believe that are fooling themselves. Jesus told the people of his day that if they hated the Son, they hated the Father as well and that if anyone was going to throw in with him they should expect the world to hate them as it hated him. So no one should be a hypocrite and say you would love and believe in God if he had better followers. I don't buy it, that is utter horse crap. My experience with believers runs the gamut from awesome to miserable but it changes nothing about my belief. If you don't believe in God, hate the concept of him, and want to be an "atheist" just own it, and don't make excuses. Be a man and pick your side.

Honest people can be mistaken, this includes both theists and atheists.

Wisdom comes from understanding the true depth of ones ignorance, that there is a difference between "knowing" something to be true, and "believing" something to be true. One requires faith, the other does not.

Well said. Calling Jesus Christ a liar because Believers arent perfect is stupid will make a flimsy excuse.

I don't know is more honest then "My magic friend did it."

It did not originate from the Christian God.

Do you really think the Hebrews didn't know it was not acceptable to adulter, murder and give false testimony in court before the non-historical story of Moses and the 10 Commandments?

What's more honest, to say "I don't know", or to make up an answer when you have a total lack of evidence, or an answer that fly's in the face of the evidence, because of your "faith" in a magic friend?

So you are saying unless I can provide a physical fact to justify faith, its dishonest?

Not believing this was "created" does not require any faith, because we have the evidence. Faith is a belief held despite a lack of evidence, or despite good evidence to the contrary. The scientific evidence for the Big Bang and Evolution are not in any way faith based.

As for your comments on infinity, the Universe has not existed for an infinite amount of time, but a finite 13.8 billion years. In addition, the universe is expanding, so it's finite in size. The total energy of the universe also continues to decrease as we move toward "heat death", so again, we will not have equal conditions for an infinite amount of time, so your whole infinity argument is void.

I find it interesting how you propose that God, your idea of the most complex intelligence in the universe could have EVOLVED, but we are so complex that we could not have evolved? This is a simple case of "special pleading".

I believe you missed the point. Completely.

Following Christ does not mean following His followers, many who come across as judgmental, quarrelsome, disingenuous, hostile, and moralistic superiors who seem to think they are the only ones going to heaven and also seem to relish the fact that everyone else is going to hell. Some folks don't wanna belong to 'that' group. And although they remain committed to Christ, and their faith in Christ remains central to their lives, and they continue to believe in a loving God who created the universe... they choose to step away from the words 'Christian' and 'Christianity'. With good reason. Christ is infinitely more important than either of those two words.

Atheists and Agnostics are a curiosity.

For sure, Satan and his camp are neither Atheists nor Agnostics.

The Demons believe and they tremble. (James 2:19)

Atheists and Agnostics are deceived. Being deceived is not knowing that you don't know, thus thinking you know.

That's not too unlike the ostrich with his head in the sand, all warm and fuzzy down there. But his rear end is way up in the air and very exposed...

And, by the time he figures that out, it could be too late...

The Ostrich isn't that smart to begin with.

You'd think man would know better...

Unless he was deceived, of course...

DF