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I see that now some reporter in Poland is speculating that the famous Amber Room from St. Petersburg could be on it. Needless to say, that's 110% speculation but it would be the find to end all finds if it's there.
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The cleaning lady post must be tongue in cheek. Last I heard they had not opened the tunnel yet, but using some type of sensors have confirmed a train with artillery on some cars.
Most people don't really want the truth.
They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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JMR, WWII armored trains USUALLY ha 1 flatcar ahead of the locomotive,,loco,tender the 2 armored gun cars with 20mm side shooting guns,an 88 or 75 mm turreted gun on top then freighter cars after. usually 2. Fully armed train will be impressive.
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The Polish government had a press conference today officially confirming its existence. They claim not to know what is on it, but they confirm the existence of a 100 meter long armored train and they estimate its value at least 1.2 billion Euros.
Regardless of what actual treasure is on that train, a 70 year old train that was parked and walked away from is a treasure in and of itself. The locomotive and the cars will be worth millions themselves. Everyday objects on the train could well be priceless today.
It may turn out to be another Al Capone's vault, but this could be the biggest archeological/historical find of the century. What I want to know is how do you lose a 100 meter train for 70 years?? Where the hell was it?
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This is in POLAND.
What more needs to be said?
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What I want to know is how do you lose a 100 meter train for 70 years??
Where the hell was it? It's in a tunnel built for air raids. I don't know how they hid the tracks going in unless they completely removed the rails and the roadbed.
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This is in POLAND.
What more needs to be said?
Dave Lets just say the Poles were a bit behind schedule. When Germany invaded them at the start of the war, the Poles sent out horse cavalry to stop the tanks. Didn't work.
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This is in POLAND.
What more needs to be said?
Dave Lets just say the Poles were a bit behind schedule. When Germany invaded them at the start of the war, the Poles sent out horse cavalry to stop the tanks. Didn't work. They went to their death knowing they could not prevail. Give them their due, they were brave bastards.
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Hell In 1939 every army in the world still had mounted cavalry regiments. Some used the hell out of em pretty effectively. Like the Russians for example.
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This is in POLAND.
What more needs to be said?
Dave Lets just say the Poles were a bit behind schedule. When Germany invaded them at the start of the war, the Poles sent out horse cavalry to stop the tanks. Didn't work. They went to their death knowing they could not prevail. Give them their due, they were brave bastards. This. The Polish Air Force (yes, they had one) was flying WWI vintage and engineered craft against the Luftwaffe. They knew they were going to die, but they fought and did so valiantly. They put up FAR more of a fight than did the better armed, better equipped, and better warned French (Army, not Resistance - the French Resistance were badasses).
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Didn't they rip the fugk out of all the tracks and blow as many tunnels and bridges as possible?
I would think one blown tunnel would look the same as the rest.
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In post war interviews with German participants in the Battle of France, German troops stated many times that the fight in France against French troops was a bad as anything they faced in Russia. The problem with the poilu was the French govt finally decided to revamp their military in 1935. To little too late The vast percentage of the forces in metro France were reservist still issued Great War equipment.
Look at the numbers of casualties on both sides in 5 weeks of fighting!!!
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Yeah, it is pretty much a debunked myth that the Poles charged tanks with horses. Oh, the Poles had horse cavalry, as did everyone else in 1939, but they didn't use them against tanks. Remember, in 1939 tank warfare was still largely theoretical and some still thought that cavalry would be the best way to exploit the gaps that tanks made in enemy lines.
Oh, and there WERE instances of Polish cavalry catching German support units unawares and absolutely cutting them to ribbons. Cavalry, used correctly, was still pretty effective back then. Hell, in the right terrain and circumstances, it could be today. The main advantage to cavalry has for the last 150 years or so, in delivering men to the fight quickly as opposed to the actual fighting.
And as for the amber room, it is speculation, but not completely baseless speculation. The last place it was definitively seen was in Koenigsburg. Koenigsburg was largely evacuated to Breslau. Breslau is where the train originated. Likewise there are reports linking it to a train in Breslau in the last days of the war.
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Lets just say the Poles were a bit behind schedule. When Germany invaded them at the start of the war, the Poles sent out horse cavalry to stop the tanks. Didn't work. The story regarding the Pollocks cavalry attacking tanks isn't as "stupid" as a lot of people make it out to be. At that point in history countries either transitioned, or were transitioning to armor. If you didn't have armor, you used horses. Technology took a huge leap and not every nation was ready for it. Travis
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I'd like to see pictures soon PM your cell number. Travis Wrong kind of train, you sicko! 
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In post war interviews with German participants in the Battle of France, German troops stated many times that the fight in France against French troops was a bad as anything they faced in Russia. The problem with the poilu was the French govt finally decided to revamp their military in 1935. To little too late The vast percentage of the forces in metro France were reservist still issued Great War equipment.
Look at the numbers of casualties on both sides in 5 weeks of fighting!!! The French actually did a lot of modernizing in the early 1930s. The problem? The state of the art fighter plane of 1934 was hopelessly obsolete by 1939 against a German Air Force that really didn't get serious about modernizing until 1936-37. French tanks however, were better than anything the Germans had. The doctrine was wrong in their use, however. The poor French really had no chance. The Maginot Line worked. However, they had a real problem with Belgium. Belgium was an ally and therefore, the French had to stop at the border with Belgium. If they had built the Maginot Line on the border with Belgium, that would have been a very clear signal to Belgium that in the event of a war, the French intended to sit behind their line and leave Belgium to its fate. That realization would have probably caused Belgium to cast its eyes eastward to Germany and an alliance or agreement with Germany in hopes of security. It would have upset the balance of power and potentially given the Germans a free ride to the French border with Belgium in the event of a war. So, the French could not build the Maginot line all the way to the sea and instead, promise Belgium that in the event of war with Germany that French troops would rush forward to defend Belgium against invasion. The Germans capitalized on this and waited for the French and English to rush into Belgium and simply cut in behind them and cut them off.
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I'd like to see pictures soon PM your cell number. Travis Wrong kind of train, you sicko! You do know that jealousy is a sin...right?
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In post war interviews with German participants in the Battle of France, German troops stated many times that the fight in France against French troops was a bad as anything they faced in Russia. The problem with the poilu was the French govt finally decided to revamp their military in 1935. To little too late The vast percentage of the forces in metro France were reservist still issued Great War equipment.
Look at the numbers of casualties on both sides in 5 weeks of fighting!!! The French actually did a lot of modernizing in the early 1930s. The problem? The state of the art fighter plane of 1934 was hopelessly obsolete by 1939 against a German Air Force that really didn't get serious about modernizing until 1936-37. French tanks however, were better than anything the Germans had. The doctrine was wrong in their use, however. The poor French really had no chance. The Maginot Line worked. However, they had a real problem with Belgium. Belgium was an ally and therefore, the French had to stop at the border with Belgium. If they had built the Maginot Line on the border with Belgium, that would have been a very clear signal to Belgium that in the event of a war, the French intended to sit behind their line and leave Belgium to its fate. That realization would have probably caused Belgium to cast its eyes eastward to Germany and an alliance or agreement with Germany in hopes of security. It would have upset the balance of power and potentially given the Germans a free ride to the French border with Belgium in the event of a war. So, the French could not build the Maginot line all the way to the sea and instead, promise Belgium that in the event of war with Germany that French troops would rush forward to defend Belgium against invasion. The Germans capitalized on this and waited for the French and English to rush into Belgium and simply cut in behind them and cut them off. I will respectfully disagree about the quality of the French tanks. The Renaults were no match for the front line German armor.
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Joe Bob,
You are 100% correct. The French plan was not to fight the next war in France! The Maginot line as you pointed out did exactly want it was suppose to do. Force the Germand back into the Low Countries
The Belgian King opted to declare neutrality. Hence stopping construction on their portion of the line. The French terrain on the Belgian border would have taken immense additional engineering construction due to the water table.
French armor was feared by the Germans. As I stated once before a treatise from St Cyr by General Fontaine laid the groundwork for a method of armor/infantry assault interaction. But fell upon deaf ears in the French govt.
The French had an immense army. But most of it was around the world in colonies. And their metro army was divided into three types. A standing army of individuals who were obligated to a two year enlistment, Groupe A reservist who were the former active duty types and Groupe B reservist. Who were the older vets like Great War Vets. It was a Groupe B division (the 55eme) that stopped Rommel at Sedan for three days until he hit them with over 2000 Stuka sorties and the division ceased to exist!
Founder
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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In post war interviews with German participants in the Battle of France, German troops stated many times that the fight in France against French troops was a bad as anything they faced in Russia. The problem with the poilu was the French govt finally decided to revamp their military in 1935. To little too late The vast percentage of the forces in metro France were reservist still issued Great War equipment.
Look at the numbers of casualties on both sides in 5 weeks of fighting!!! The French actually did a lot of modernizing in the early 1930s. The problem? The state of the art fighter plane of 1934 was hopelessly obsolete by 1939 against a German Air Force that really didn't get serious about modernizing until 1936-37. French tanks however, were better than anything the Germans had. The doctrine was wrong in their use, however. The poor French really had no chance. The Maginot Line worked. However, they had a real problem with Belgium. Belgium was an ally and therefore, the French had to stop at the border with Belgium. If they had built the Maginot Line on the border with Belgium, that would have been a very clear signal to Belgium that in the event of a war, the French intended to sit behind their line and leave Belgium to its fate. That realization would have probably caused Belgium to cast its eyes eastward to Germany and an alliance or agreement with Germany in hopes of security. It would have upset the balance of power and potentially given the Germans a free ride to the French border with Belgium in the event of a war. So, the French could not build the Maginot line all the way to the sea and instead, promise Belgium that in the event of war with Germany that French troops would rush forward to defend Belgium against invasion. The Germans capitalized on this and waited for the French and English to rush into Belgium and simply cut in behind them and cut them off. I will respectfully disagree about the quality of the French tanks. The Renaults were no match for the front line German armor. Yes but the Char B's and Soumi 35's were more than a match for German Armor. Matter of fact first tanks American paras hit during Market Garden were captured Char B's in German service!
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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