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We always lack proof. He wanted us by faith, not proof, that He may avoid the unbeliver hard heads such as you. You dont want the Good News, prefering to lean on your own understanding.

Even dumbasses become believers with proof.

Mister.... you declined to answer my simple question.

And THAT is a fact.

Just like A.S......... posting a bunch of words that have not one damn thing to do with my question.

You made a truth claim which I quoted. You may reread your own post if you need to refresh your memory. If you cannot have dogma in a system without belief...I would simply ask, "Don't you believe what you stated?"

However, pushing your grandiloquence aside, I would submit to you that I have given you the more honest answer. Because, there is nothing in my post trying to convinece you of "God/gods", nor did I make a truth statement as to any evidence or lack thereof of His existance.

And, what exactly, was your question?

The proven does not equal supernatural one or the FOS statement?

You have a major short in your logical faculties.

If you want to talk Level of Schitty fullness lets briefly unpack your erroneous suppositions. Beware, it will be a lot of words and you probably won't understand that they have everything to do with your question....

If you and your religious ilk could but provide the objective proof for your assertions then, yes, it would still be supernatural. You would have proven that something exists beyond our physical world. To put it in the simplest possible terms for you to grasp..if you could prove the existence of the supernatural it would still be the supernatural. That's true whether you could prove it somehow physically or logically..but you can't.

Now, I strongly suspect you are using the term 'supernatural' as a scapegoat for everything you can't prove. A convenient wall to hide behind that allows you to make any proposition and claim it doesn't need proof because it can't be proved. Convenient. Many a psychic, medium, charlatan and what-not use the exact same trick. (In a phony stage voice..."you must believe first then you will see the truth!)

Also, are you suggesting in your 'question' that any proposition that hasn't been proved must be explained by the supernatural? Science would beg to differ...

just because you don't know how the trick is done...doesn't make it magic.

This is sooo sad yet explains soo much...

(Partly what made me think of this topic and start this thread...)

A good night and happy weekend to all (even those who are being 'dishonest'!)

See ya tomorrow after my scouting trip (archery opens Sunday)...

To the original question, the answer is NO.

MH,

What seems to be noted by the non-believers here is that there is "no proof" of God. Then many go on to say that since there is "no proof" then God may or may not exist ... or whatever.

Jesus called us to be "witnesses" of our own experiences. I have noted that for the believer, God has indeed proved Himself to that believer. Therefore, the believer DOES have proof that God exists.

It is the unbeliever that has no proof. (Well other than creation itself but that is usually disbelieved and in my opinion disbelieved by choice)

I refer back again to where Jesus comes and lives in the believer. When that happens, there is no more need for God to prove his existence to that believer. The believer knows it for a fact.

Some who have posted here deny that one can have such an experience with God. Maybe they haven't had one and maybe they don't seek one.

Sad when someone comes to me and tells me there is no proof of God. In reality, he has no proof but I do have the proof.

TF

Oh, another thought. Satan is real and his demons do indeed influence and deceive many.

another thought: Could be the God created time. He may not be bound by it.

TF

Atheists say there is no god, Christians say there is God. That statement on its own is evidence that someone is lying. I don't know if that really proves either is more honest than the other however.

(I do think that some of the biggest hypocrites are they who are always looking for a speck in another persons eye in spite of the log in their own however.)

I know for sure there is a higher power and it ain't me. My life is much, much more satisfying when I rest in that fact.

Everything beyond that is mental masturbation tainted by delusional grandiosity.

The presumption that finite beings could

A) make an infinite being

or

B) keep an infinite being from existing

Merely by proclamation of belief or lack thereof is absurd and yet here we are.

As I said, peace be upon you all no matter which side of that equation you fall upon.

Couldn't it also be that people aren't lying but just calling it as they see it, honestly, and that one side or maybe both is just honestly wrong?

That would seem to me to be the most honest explanation but I've never been convinced these conversations are created to bring out honesty.

And this one kinda bolsters that position in my mind.

"If you and your religious ilk could but provide the objective proof for your assertions then, yes, it would still be supernatural. You would have proven that something exists beyond our physical world. To put it in the simplest possible terms for you to grasp..if you could prove the existence of the supernatural it would still be the supernatural. That's true whether you could prove it somehow physically or logically..but you can't."

1.I'm not a "religious" man.For many, Christianity may serve the religious impulse in all humans, just as "self worship" serves the Atheist in that regard.

At it's basis, it is a personal relationship with the Risen Christ...... not a "religion".

2. Science is bound by this physical Universe. The Creator is not bound by His Creation.... to believe otherwise is ridiculous. I see all sorts of things in this Natural World accomplished by men who act as if Einstein's [just to mention one scientist] theories are correct.

It would be arrogant and presumptuous of me to demand that the theories be dumbed down to MY level of understanding before I will accept them as true. But that is exactly what you demand of people of Faith....... to reduce the Creator of all that is to something that will fit inside your small mind.

3. "Supernatural", properly understood, is the term for events occurring within Nature that can't be explained by natural laws. The only "proof" acceptable to Science is that which CAN be explained within the confines of natural laws, so yours is a "Catch 22 proposition".

So.... instead of being "FOS".... you are a counterfeit adherent of science...... or a Phony, if you prefer.

Gonna have to start an abortion thread. This has just about reached coat hanger level.

Bravo Mojo...bravo.

This thread has been a success, for your intended purpose.
I thank you for the entertainment. I know you have also enjoyed it!

Good luck with the Unit 54 archery deer.

These "atheist" topics eventually become boring due to insincerity on the part of some, but they do seem to serve a purpose. The atheist promoters on here are a mixed bag, but no matter how sincere, gentlemanly and erudite may be the talking atheist, they eventually expose the tenuous, vacuous and hopeless conditions generic to atheism.

if a newbie signed on here, and then said they worshipped the exact same god as that tree over there worshipped, what might that mean?

anyone know for sure?

So you would deny he was also a chief of police.
Another Christian denying someone is what they are just because you don't like their behavior.

I'm not saying it. The Bible pretty well describes what a believer is and belonging to a denomination or church and attending does not alone make you one.

But more significantly, the more I read your statements the more I realize any kind of rational give and take with you is a waste of time; at least at this point.

A person who absolutely doesn't know what they don't know but continues pontificating is not inclined to listen or learn from anybody else.