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Shooting critters in the legs and guts is no different than posting smilies and +1 to get your post count up on the Campfire...

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Travis

+2.5.

Also a 22 derringer in you pocket is better if you need it. than you new glock 40 left at home. ( in my opinion)

260rem is a douchebag, that become completely apparent in some of his 'anti-gun' posts. This just makes it better for the others to see yet again.

Basically you're setting up a false paradigm. The goal should always be to kill the animal quickly and humanely regardless of penetration. The two basic schools of thought here are penetration vs. expansion. If your goal is penetration and everything else be damned, then you're probably going to have some failures to kill quickly in your quest for 100% success on penetration. Likewise, if your goal is only expansion, then you are probably going to have some kill-failures in your attainment of the expansion goal due to not attaining enough penetration for that expansion. What this probably illustrates is that goals of penetration and expansion are not 100% reliable arbiters of killing game.

And again, killing game and stopping a person from fighting are two different things even though you seem to not differentiate between them. All you're doing is once again stating your preference for penetration over everything else and anybody who has read here very long knows that.

Penetration is not all it's 'cracked up' to be.

A lot of chicks would disagree.

The operative word being "goal", something to aspire to, rather than an absolute.

My "goal" is to kill things with one shot and it is achieved better than 90% of the time, so I'd give myself an "A" in that column. However, killing game from a solid rest in a cut corn or bean field is usually pretty easy, really more an exercise in preparation and "shooting" skill rather than "hunting" skill. Plus, all of my hunting is done on private land where there is no hunting pressure and in a State that allows each hunter to purchase two antlered deer tags and, in some of the GMUs where I hunt, as many antlerless deer tags as a hunter wishes to purchase. I only shoot two kinds of antlered deer, trophies and culls. I don't shoot bucks with little racks, unless the antlers are damaged and there appears to be a genetic flaw that should be removed for the good of the herd. Because of that philosophy, I only punch my antlered deer tags about half the time, maybe even a little less than 50%.

The same applies to self defense situations as well as hunting.

jwp475, You "nailed it"! The bullet should have very high percentage of success reaching vital organs from any angle with a bullet of, adequate sectional density,good bullet construction,impact velocity, and correct shot geometry(bullet path in line with vitals). If the bullet cannot fullfill these requirements, we actually have two failures.The bullet (thru no fault of it's own) and operator error(improper bullet selection for application)! memtb

JWP did nail it, penetration is so important as long as the bullet worked in passage. There is fact to this that beauty queens do not believe thinking "energy dump" is real.
The space station is still seeing my bullets in orbit after dropping deer in their tracks. A Texas heart shot should exit the chest. Makes a mess of course but the 6" of penetration from the wrong bullet is a loss.

I've had and seen satisfactory results using the lighter weight monos with a few deer and pig kills, even testing on 22 lb three quarters frozen freezer burnt turkeys.

They have ALL provided enough penetration to completely penetrate a mans chest from any angle, that being said, all remaining mags I have on my person are loaded with the heaviest for caliber FMJ flat point bullets that are also loaded to shoot to the sights with the lightweight mono hp's.

Also, the small meplat on the fmj-fp bullets provide straight line penetration [haven't been able to turn one in test media] and a bit bigger than bullet diameter wound channels, a win win in my small mind.

If a bullet reaches the vitals and doesn't incapacitate, it has failed as surely as one that doesn't reach the vitals and also fails to incapacitate.

The point of this post? They are consistent blather, over and over again. Ask how poster Ken elsewhere managed to kill big chitt with puny jacketed bullets.

lolol

Explain how a bullet that reaches the vitals leaving a quarter size hole through the heart will fail to incapacitate.

You're the one who referenced such failures in your original post on this thread. I'd really rather you explained it, that being the case, if you feel like it needs to be explained. Otherwise, what is this thread even about?

It's about penetration versus the Pressure Wave Fairy, Ethan.

Everybody who's Anybody knows the Pressure Wave Fairy:

Flutters along ahead of your handgun bullet,
Through the sleeve 12th Street Dog's leather jacket & tensed forearm,
Through his jacket again,
And the stolen credit cards and bag of weed in the breast pocket,
Crashes through 3" of well nourished & conditioned pectorals and ribs,
(courtesy of your state prison system)
And once inside, the Pressure Wave Fairy
Whips out his magic pink feather duster, and
Jack-slaps a honkin' big pressure wave up through Dog's brain
Knockin' him senseless and rendering him incapacitated!

Me? I'll be over there behind the dumpster with three magazines of hardball, trying not to laugh.

Y'all do realize that you don't have to post in threads where you disagree with the basic premise, don't you?