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I think we can count on outfits like Lipsey's to some extent to provide interesting and useful Hawkeye variants, just like the Number 1s. Sweet deal for Ruger, when you think about it; a block sale that gets them their money and puts the marketing onus on someone else. Not likely to be good for prices, though.
I wish I'd picked up one of those SS RSI centerfires as they've been steadily going up, especially the .250s.
I did snag one of the .22s though. Very nifty, and nicely put together.
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Mg-arms makes a 13 ounce Kimber Montana patterned stock for the Ruger 77 Hawkeye/Mk II. Got a pick or price tag for one? I know MPI makes light stocks for them. At one time Brown Precision did for long actions even though it didn't make it to their website as I held it at the Expo in SLC and confirmed via email. Did not know about the MG-arms...
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I'm not totally sure....but I have a feeling the MG-Arms stocks are MPI that MG then finishes, beds, and paints, and possibly inlets. I'll have one in the next week or so. Paid $700, with a 3-4 month turn around which included bedding of the barreled action. 20 ounce stock was $100 less. Here's one which seems to have the pics deleted, but you might contact Reloader28 for his pics and thoughts on the stock now that he's had it for a while: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...s/7895631/Re_Will_a_Ruger_Mk_II_long_act
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No hurry, just wasn't aware of that option. Look forward to hearing how you like the stock and hopefully seeing pics. I forget the poster's name, but he had some pretty light Rugers put together by Extreme Rifleworks. IIRC the smith has posted here in the pass as 440dodger or something like that.
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Times have changed, but not as much as we think. We all know that plastic is the new wood because it is easier to work with and less affected by rough handling and moisture. Most of all, tis cheaper than low grade hardwood. Because of that, there had to be a shift towards polymer. You can't fault the rifle manufacturers for that. Businesses are always looking to cut costs.
As a result, custom stockmakers/gunsmiths will be called upon to turn a few plain Jane rifles into works of art...or at least, something prettier than Tupperware. That's good for their bottom line.
The odd production run will be made using fancy wood. That will be good for the rifle company's bottom line.
Companies like Boyd's will make more cash from inexpensive hunting rifles. That's good for their bottom line.
If you want a fancier grip, you're gonna have to pay for it.
Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
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I am stunned that folks with plenty of fully functional rifles are looking for something else...
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Some of us don't want to beat up or wear out our old classics, or our current favorites.
That's assuming you're serious and not being a wise guy.
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They could put the Hawkeye on a serious diet with a redesign. They need to take some metal out of the action. It shouldn't be hard with CAD and MIM capabilities.
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Do the Hawkeyes shoot appreciably better than the RAR?
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Do the Hawkeyes shoot appreciably better than the RAR? No on the ones I have been around, but the Hawkeye just feels solid and fit and finish are nicer. Of the 2 prefer the Hawkeye. But very nice to have more options on LH rifles!
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I've got 3 old model 77's that have served me very well for years. I picked up a RAR in Bass Pro several months back and it felt like a cheap rifle (which it is) but from what I've read they shoot ok. The stocks are horrible looking and feeling but there's a market for that type of rifle I guess. It's just not for me!
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duckster,
On average RAR's outshoot Hawkeyes. They both use the same barrels, but RAR's have a superior action-bedding system and a 3-lug bolt, plus all their barrels are free-floated. Many if not most Hawkeyes still have the "tip hump" in the forend channel. Some will shoot well with the hump, but in my experience most Hawkeyes shoot better with their barrels free-floated.
The RAR also has a tang safety, like the original 77, though the RAR's doesn't lock the bolt down. Some people are still a little pissed that Ruger dropped the tang safety in the Mark II and Hawkeye for the long and clumsy 3-position safety, even though it does lock the bolt down.
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RARs (and similar black and plastic rifles) so totally match the shooters who show up at the range to, hopefully, hit the target - or close- while shooting over a rest of rolled up closed-cell foam pad or cardboard box.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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I like them. In fact, I've got two. My first was a 308 that I bought about the same time as Mule Deer got his. (Do you still have yours John?) They get rained on, bumped and bounced with no ill effects. I like the tang safety, the lighter weight and they shoot pretty good too! They are a rifle version of the Jeep Wrangler. Be nice to the black rifle shooters. That style of rifle (autoloading) is familiar to a lot of shooters from their time in the army. They are taking up much more space in a hunter's rifle rack! Black is the new brown! (But admittedly, not everyone's cup of tea.)
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I like my 223 RAR too. It's very accurate, shoots every bullet I've loaded for it to the same POI at 100yards, making changing loads painless. It's twisted right also, so the 75Amax's shoot great also. A lot of rifle for the money and fun to play with.
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