I see pictures all the time with the serial number blocked out or people putting XXX at the end so as to not say it's actual serial number. Why? Are people that paranoid that the government is going to track down their guns?
No, just that people realize there are dicks in the world. Lets say I consider you a [bleep]. I see a gun you have a photo of and for fun I report a gun being stolen, here's the serial number. It gets entered into the system.
You sell the gun, gun is checked and is listed as stolen. People can do it for insurance fraud.
People can also try to sell your gun.
Lets say you post 14 pics of your NEWLY bought Smith & Wesson Model 29, along with serial number.
I lift the pictures, along with the serial number and post it on Gunbroker. Some guy sends me a check for a gun I don't own. I now 'disappear' and he's looking for me and his money.
Oh, but they have the serial number so maybe the cops can track it down.
Hey, serial number XYX was sent to Joe's Gunshop in Mooseballs, WI. Lets go there. He, Fred at Joe's Gunshop shows the gun was sold to YOU. Cops show up at door wondering why you took money for gun you never sold, something like fraud or something. Sure, you didn't do any of that, the guy that thought you a dick did.
But guess what, the problem is now in your lap.
I've never seen the serial number of a gun enhancing photos. I do know of the Gunbroker type scam happening.
If you want to post them, post them, I don't give a shiet. Just like you shouldn't give a sheit if I don't want to post pics of the serial numbers.
Sounds like you've done this before . . . .
I never thought I'd grow up to be a grumpy old man, but I did, and I'm killin' it.
First thank you and many others for being polite and respectful.
As I have said before; Don't kill the messenger. I don't make this stuff up myself. I could bury this website with data and have the silly, loose screws wearing egg on their faces all day.
Pure and simple a gun without a serial number is ILLEGAL.
Not to digress or divert but ATF under Obama is a pathetic conglomeration of loose cannon balls on the deck. You'se Guys seem to be stuck on Federal Laws and apparently don't consider state and local.
Just take your gun without serial number to any gun shop and try to sell it. Try to ship it across state lines. Take it to a gun show and try to peddle it.
I have guns back to the late 1,800's with numbers and proofs. I'll research JC Higgins Sears without numbers and get back to you. On Monday I will be on the phone with ATF and I will give you their take on this.
One of the problems here is that some readers simply do not understand my posts. They go off half cocked and assume that some simple opposing statement is gospel and all inclusive, capturing all aspects, while reality is that it is multi faceted and complex with various conditions to contemplate to see the true picture.
I won't engage in a brawl with one particularly obnoxious and insulting name caller because he/she/it is obviously one of the low 10% that doesn't have the mental capacity to keep up. Sadly we have to write off those losers and try to be compassionate. I fail to see how my post rose to the level of being called stupid and a son of a bitch !!!! This is a clear and blatant violation of the website rules that Steel Head agreed to. I won't be asking for banning him/her/it whatever. I just don't care about such worthless chatter apparently from some debilitated nasty character that spends his/her/it's life on the internet all day long. Come to think of it I haven't seen anything constructive from - IT. Only sniping from the shadows.
I think I'm [bleep], though,......I have an old .22 here with no SN. Apparently, I can't own it!
George
I must be a hard core criminal...Ive got a 16 ga. shotgun with no serial number, and no way to ever trace it, cause it has no rifling, and Ive never registered it with the police. Perfect crime gun.
Shhhhhhhhhhh....
Don't tell anyone..
Especially Tibbe....
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"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
The first plainly stated serial numbers were not required until the GCA1968....
Lots of guns were made before that, lots had no serial numbers, and if you transfer one through all legal means the spot on the form 4473 asking for Serial number can LEGALLY be filled in "nsn"........"no serial number"
Dig your hole a little deeper....
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
First thank you and many others for being polite and respectful.
As I have said before; Don't kill the messenger. I don't make this stuff up myself. I could bury this website with data and have the silly, loose screws wearing egg on their faces all day.
Pure and simple a gun without a serial number is ILLEGAL.
Not to digress or divert but ATF under Obama is a pathetic conglomeration of loose cannon balls on the deck. You'se Guys seem to be stuck on Federal Laws and apparently don't consider state and local.
Just take your gun without serial number to any gun shop and try to sell it. Try to ship it across state lines. Take it to a gun show and try to peddle it.
I have guns back to the late 1,800's with numbers and proofs. I'll research JC Higgins Sears without numbers and get back to you. On Monday I will be on the phone with ATF and I will give you their take on this.
One of the problems here is that some readers simply do not understand my posts.
I won't engage in a brawl with one particularly obnoxious and insulting name caller because he/she/it is obviously one of the low 10% that doesn't have the mental capacity to keep up. Sadly we have to write off those losers and try to be compassionate. I fail to see how my post rose to the level of being called stupid and a son of a bitch !!!! This is a clear and blatant violation of the website rules that Steel Head agreed to. I won't be asking for banning him/her/it whatever. I just don't care about such worthless chatter apparently from some debilitated nasty character that spends his/her/it's life on the internet all day long. Come to think of it I haven't seen anything constructive from - IT. Only sniping from the shadows.
The first plainly stated serial numbers were not required until the GCA1968....
Lots of guns were made before that, lots had no serial numbers, and if you transfer one through all legal means the spot on the form 4473 asking for Serial number can LEGALLY be filled in "nsn"........"no serial number"
Where I hell is the spot on the form that you refer to?
Maybe the Guys that own arms without serial numbers will be interested it the ATF form clause - 10 years in prison and $250,000 fine.
Do you ever read the [bleep] instructions you retard?
Question(s) 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30, Firearm(s) Description: These blocks should be completed with the firearm(s) information. Firearms manufactured after 1968 should all be marked with a serial number. Should you acquire a firearm that is not marked with a serial number; you may answer question 28with “NSN” (No Serial Number), “N/A” or “None.”
I'm pretty sure you're attempting to be helpful, but on the subject of serial numbers you need to do some catching up.
Under current laws, I'll have no difficulty transferring my J.C.Higgins rifle to any of my heirs or assigns, nor to any person who is a resident of Michigan and who I deem worthy of owning a J. C. Higgins rifle. Further I can ship it in interstate commerce via USPS, UPS, FedEx, or any other common carrier to a FFL holder.
Here is a part of the instructions for completing the ATF form 4457. For my rifle without serial-numbers, the instructions to the FFL holder are pretty plain:
Question(s) 26, 27, 28, 29 & 30, Firearm(s) Description: These blocks should be completed with the firearm(s) information. Firearms manufactured after 1968 should all be marked with a serial number. Should you acquire a firearm that is not marked with a serial number; you may answer question 28 with “NSN” (No Serial Number), “N/A” or “None.
Here's a quote from the website for which you provided a link. It's about 3/4 of the way down the page, near the photo of the Remington Nylon 66:
As for those pre-GCA guns which were manufactured without serial numbers, some are still on the market. A dealer buying or selling a non-NFA firearm made before 1968 and without a serial number need record “Made prior to 1968, no serial number” or “NSN” in the serial number space on his transaction record. Unless there is a state or local requirement, he need not apply a number or obtain a number from the police or BATFE. {image of Nylon 66}
No, Willie E. Tibbe is a retard. He was a retard 10 years ago when he had another logon name, he is a retard now. I kicked him in the nuts repeatedly back then for continually spewing FALSE information.
He hasn't changed in the least. There is nothing helpful about this POS troll, trust me.
The benefit of the Ignore feature is that it magically transforms this:
A commercially manufactured gun with no serial number is illegal and cannot be owned. A home made gun for self us can.
Over the years there were several reasons for not having a serial number but most date back a long time. Chinese and Iranian guns have ben found by the case ALL with the same number.
My memory is a little fuzzy about German Mauser's that apparently were being counterfeited by bandit operators.
There have been some cases on record about replicas or antiques that didn't have numbers.
It may be possible that some estate guns had missing numbers, so I heard.
But you can take this to the bank: Any gun that has the serial number missing is HOT and party to a felony. You can't sell it, you can't own it, you can't ship it.
Maybe disquieting to the crooks but the experts can retrieve filed off serial numbers by some high tech science. ___________________________________________________________
However, if we are speaking about blocking out the numbers on a photo, as opposed to removing it from the weapon, that doesn't constitute a crime unless the intent is to hoodwink someone, commit some misrepresentation or fraud.
