Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns ...now NYPD is down to 1.19%

http://news.yahoo.com/police-fire-84-shots-man-233124390.html

..so much for 9mm being accurate, effective and easy to shoot well. That said one to the calf did bring the guy down.

Glocks are fine weapons as they normally come from the factory, but NYPD orders them with extra heavy trigger pulls. Their hit ratio is little wonder when you add that factor into the equation.

Training is a lot of it

It's been quite a while but I remember the average rounds fired during the academy for NYPD was something like 150-200









I have a G22 with a NY+ trigger in it and it isn't tough to shoot accurately at all

Training, training......

Yeah, and I'm sure the average NYPD cop is an avid shooter/hunter........bawhwhwhwhwhwaah

Bill Allard and jim Cirillo were both NYPD officers and they were holly terror in a gunfight.

Bill and Jim were extremely aberrational for NYPD. We always said it was easy to tell if a guy got shot by NYPD.....powder burns....

The NY Tigger excuse just don't cut it... Dallas PD only had DA revolvers and semi-autos that triggers pulls were all longer and harder than a NY Glock but yet we managed a 85+% hit rate. And least you think all people from Texas were natural shooters 80% of the officers hired were from states other than Texas...

It all comes down to training and attitude...Bob

They were excellent for any location. Bill never missed a shot in a gun fight, that is remarkable.

Werent they members of an elite team?

I used to train with a New York City transit cop, and he told me that they had a policy of encouraging frequent training, even providing unlimited practice ammo, and their hit to miss ratio in gun fights was far superior to that of regular NYPD.

I believe they were members of the "Stakeout" squad. Supposedly hand-picked because of their ability to shoot well, fast, and accurately. Perhaps, they worked under a more progressive Chief. Progressive isn't a bad word when it comes to changing dogma concerning upgrading tactics.

Just read an article that stated an average CCWER who practices twice a year has more range time than the average NYPD cop


It also goes on to say how the Nypd Policy is to minimize firearms traing, with the belief that more firearms training will cause the officers to make the choice to utilize their firearms on duty more often


http://m.animalnewyork.com/2015/i-u...simulator-and-learned-i-should-be-a-cop/

That's brilliant, ain't it?

They should probably come up with a way to lock the magazine in place. You only have one magazine, and that can't be removed from the weapon. Additionally, 1/2 dozen blanks are scattered randomly in the magazine.

That might help them even more.

Before moving to Florida thirteen years ago, I was a Long Islander. Around qualifications time every year, the outdoor handgun range where I did much of my shooting would become rich with NYPD cops trying to prepare. They were generally awful shots with their service weapons, and had little interest in firearms. In fact, the NYPD psych evaluators would eliminate anyone from the applicant list who revealed an interest in firearms or hunting.

I remember one such cop at the range shooting next to me who said the reason my groups were a small fraction the size of his was that he was required to use a double action only S&W Model 59 (a permitted alternative to a Glock), and I was shooting a 1911, which has a "hair trigger." I asked to shoot his gun and produced a group half his size, while shooting twice as fast as he was. The guy's jaw dropped.

If you like to shoot, you get good. Otherwise, not so much.

I used to shoot at a range and one guy would come and he would always have a mountain of .45 Gold Dots he would shoot. One day just making conversation I asked him if he had a magic well he pulled all those Gold Dots out of. Told me he was a cop (for a large city near me) and the Dept gave every officer X number of rounds to practice on their own with. Said most of the other officers weren't "Gun Guys" so they gave their ammo to him. I was stunned he openly admitted that.

If that is true NYPD should go back to revolvers...the people and their property would be much safer...

But NYPD isn't alone...for whatever reason it seems that those who make it to the top regardless of department have anti-gunfigher attitudes... They are more interested in politics and keeping their position than keeping their men alive...

We had the same problem in Dallas. Back before I joined the department a robbery squad was formed after several clerks at Stop&Robs were murdered. The squad was REAL effective killing a bunch of bad guns in just a few months...and robberies went down 75%...so what did the powers that be do...peed their panties and disbanded the squad...shortly robberies were back up again... They had another squad that were doing street robberies while I was there. They killed several the first two weekends and the squad was shut down...just too effective for pantie wearers...

Bob

..yep...give them back the empties to be turned back in and all is right with the world...

To be fair, other reports indicate both the perp and officers were mobile throughout most of the gunfight.

Running targets aren't exactly easy to connect with.




Travis

Does the words "Spray and Pray" ring a bell? I think Jeff Cooper is spinning in his grave muttering something like I told you so...