Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles RUGER rifles can't shoot worth spit!

I was at the range last week and there was a guy spouting off that he heard you cant get tighter than 2 inches at 100 yards with those lousy Ruger 77's but that was what he was "stuck with" this year so it would have to do. He said it to some other guy next to me that he knew also. Said it at the same time that I was making the bullseye of my target a raged hole with MY Ruger 77.

Jack a$$ should clean his gun or stop flinching.

I would have to ask why he feels the need to shoot out to 600yrds. Maybe hes an x sniper or hunts out west. If he hunt's whitetails shots are usually under a 100 yds My main gun is 77 MK II SS/Lam .280 shoots 200 yds finger tip apart.
Also took out varmint at 175yds, and has almost 7mm mag ballistics with 1/3 the recoil.

I see you haven't learned any manners here yet.

But you are correct about one thing. 95 degrees is NOT hot in the desert.

the guy in my story was shooting a 280 also
My buddy has one and it shoots great groups and he hasnt even smoothed out his factory trigger

jwk1113 �

No, I�m not an ex sniper. Nor do I hunt whitetails. I do hunt out west � Colorado. Elk is the primary quarry, mule deer and antelope are secondary. In 25 years I have never taken a shot at big game over 350 yards, although I have taken a couple coyotes at 480+ and had many opportunities to go long for big game. But that has nothing to do with why we backed up to 600 yards. We did it because we could and because we were curious what the results would be.

For what it is worth, my only big game rifles for most of those 25 years were a 7mm Mag and a .44 Mag carbine. Hunted elk with both. The Ruger 7mm Rem Mag, despite its age, shot its best group ever when I was doing load development for the 160g North Fork bullets. Three shots, 0.266� at 100 yards. Another crappy Ruger. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

jwk1113 -

I don�t have all my load books with me, but the claim of 1/3 the recoil is preposterous.


Here is some load data from IMR and Hodgdon, with the calculated recoil for an 8.3 pound rifle/scope combo:

160g
19.8 foot-pounds = .280 Rem @ 2714fps, 61.0g compressed H1000
24.0 foot-pounds = 7mm Rem Mag @ 2915fps, 69.5g compressed Retumbo

175g
18.9 foot-pounds = .280 Rem @ 2650fps, 51.0g IMR4831
21.3 foot-pounds = 7mm Rem Mag @ 2710fps, 58.0g IMR4831

Ignoring the question of relative performance, the .280 Rem has about 83% the recoil of the 7mm Mag with the 160g bullet and 89% with the 175g bullet. Both are a far cry from 1/3 or 33.3%.

I have a Ruger #1 in 220 Swift that has consistantly shot 3/4"
groups with either factory or handloads since it was new.
I used to work in the back fixing guns and chuckle while the owner told customers that Ruger number ones were not accurate. The other gunsmith had a Ruger #1 in 22-250 and he got a pretty wide grin when he heard his rifle couldn't shoot either. " In the land of the blind a one eyed man is king." Any time someone tells me that something is ALWAYS
TRUE or ALWAYS BAD I quit listening to them because there is no point in arguing with someone whose mind is made up already.
whelennut

First of all I do not load myown. Look at ballistics chart from Winchester all I use is 140gr BST. The ammo in my opinion is as accurate next to handloading. I have never had a whitetail another step after they have been hit. Further more my .
280 doesn't seem to kick any more than my SKS.

Ruger 22-250's,Swifts and 25-06's,have always shone brightly........................

Guess you art familiar with powdered metalurgy, high speed turbines etc.

Casting does not equate to junk, and forged and billet recievers were cast at one point in their life.

Ruger can be chided for trying to cast to such tight tollerances that they forego machining some parts, which is a shortcut it would be nice they didn't take. But it does make for one of the best hunting rifles for the $. I'll post some pics of what some Rugers can do.

One of the most acuurate rifles I've ever owned was a tang safety Ruger 77. Never found a load it didn't shoot acceptably well in 80 or 100grain bullets. With 42.3gr of IMR 4350 and a 100gr Sierra GK, it would stack holes continuously. This load also took out deer as if they'd been hit by lightning for those of you who think 6mm's are marginal for deer.....---2MG

I retain a 77-V MK I that thinks it's a Remington....................(grin)

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />Double grin---2MG

There is no free lunch, and relative performance or accuracy is not the question. You simply cannot get �almost 7mm mag ballistics with 1/3 the recoil�.

If you can, let me know and we�ll both get stinking rich � there are a zillion industrial applications for such a secret, just as there is for �free energy� and �perpetual motion�.

Since you all are obviously experts I should only have to do this once. Just got the info from Winchester website. Pay attention you experts muzzle .280 140gr BST velocity 3040 energy 2872/ 7mm mag muzzle velocity 3100 energy2988. Now is there anything you don't understand? So I was wrong saying 1/3 the recoil it just seems alot less than my 7mm mag I used to shoot. So to all you experts GET BENT. I had thouht this website was about advice not ridicule.

"forged and billet recievers were cast at one point in their life."

Yes the original huge pig of metal was poured in an ingot. Having worked in the Aerospace Industry for over 30 years, I can tell you that cast parts are nowhere near as good as forged or billet parts. But back to the topic. Ruger rifles can be made to shoot pretty good. Should we have to make new rifles shoot good? I don't think we should.

Trying not saying anything stupid...it's a great premise.

No need to comment on the watered down 7Remmie figures,as they are commensurate with your Thesis.

Nice batting average................(grin)

Screw you aholes

The average continues.

Does your Mom know you talk that way,when she's out of the room?....................

Well I'm new to the ruger ownership in long guns anyways. Some of you may have seen my post "ruger M77 fans?" which still hasn't quite fallen off the page. I took the brand new M77 standard blued & walnut rifle in .243 out of the box & began some basic improvements before even shooting it. I kind of wish I had time to shoot it first, that would have made for a more interesting post. But anyways, I sure couldn't be happier with the abilities of my daughter's new M77. Her personal abilities with the new rifle are pretty amazing to me. I'm very happy with my decision to give the M77 a chance & we hope to take my daughters first deer with the rifle this weekend (early youth rifle hunt).