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Son shot his first black bear shot at 700 yards with 180 Scenar last weekend hunting with me. Impact velocity with 180 scenar was 2042 fps at that elevation. Bullet retains 111 grains of weight and looks like a partition. Recovered with nose poking out of opposite side. Bear was shot on near side shoulder and came to rest behind opposite shoulder. Made a 30 yard downhill dash and found dead. More results later if the deer and elk cooperate for him again.
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Very NICE Kurt....congrats to the both of you...
Saw mention of it on another site, but I don't think he got around to posting details.
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Thanks Josh. Continue to be impressed with those bullets.
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Couldn't be! It's a TARGET BULLET! LOL
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Nice! Congrats and good shooting.
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Kurt, Nice shooting by your son! Congrats to him.
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Congratulations on all accounts.
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Congrats to both of you guys.
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G1 BC is .661, G7 is .332 for the 180 Secnar
G1 BC is .633 , G7 is 307 for the 162 AMAX
Is the extra weight worth it?
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Hornady states the G1 at .625 and according to my rifle the 180 is shooting at a .673, but regardless, with the results I'm seeing out of the 180's, no one will be able to convince me to switch...
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Man I need to get ahold of some of these and try them in my mashburn. Maybe this spring I'll do some playing
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I shot a sub 2" group with these at 600 the other day from my LRM, running 2998 MV. I cant wait to use these on coues deer this year, I am just a little worried if our 100# deer will make the bullet open up or not. But, that bullet looks AMAZING!
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what was the MV of that round?
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The 180 Scenar is a killin bastid. Congrats on the bear.
FC80, thats about the speed Im launching them at..They will open, and penetrate.
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I'm running them @ 68-gr H1000, but I've got some pressure signs (flat primers, and slight extractor marks). I should back off a half a grain or so and see if accuracy is consistent.
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We're at 67 grains with either WLR or CCI mag primers. Felt like it was max I wanted to push it.
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Wow, that bullet doesn't look like what I would expect from a recovered Scenar. Seems like most of them go kaboom after entering. Nice job.
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I'm 3/3 on them not going kaboom so far. FWIW
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Anyone know the length of the 180 Scenar?
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Think I kept a couple around for S&Gs.....standby.....
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No joy Sir.... Guessin I did send em all to Kurt...
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No joy Sir.... Guessin I did send em all to Kurt... Good answer here.
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I was curious what Berger's twisty deal was with a 1:9-1/4 at 2850, says 1.57. That plus a dollar will buy you a cup of joe.
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Shot some 180 VLDs through a pard's' factory 700-LR in 7 Remmie. We ran 67-71 grains of Retumbo and a WLRM. They clocked 2700-2900, stabalized just fine, and shot about 4" at 600. (at about 5000' ASL)
Thinking the Scenar will be fine in a Rem. factory twist... but weirder schitt has definitely happened.
I shot about a dozen of these loads... and they were a solid step up in the recoil department. Not obnoxious... but noticeably more than the 162s at 3k...
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Pretty much mirrors my experience with 180 Bergers over a stiff load of Ramshot Magnum for a mv of 2860. Factory Rem mag seemed to stablize them just fine to 1000. Picked up some 180 Scenars but have yet to load any up. Playing with a couple 6.5 in my limited time right now.
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Might be the 108, 123, and 180 Scenar Show from here on out.
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Not entirely. It's also about SD. Two bullets with an equal form factor, but one is made of styrofoam, and the other lead and copper, will have very different BC values...
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Ya ok, you got me there lol. Or jacketed versus solid monolithic as well if ya want.
At any rate I have always relied on BC and knowing the bullets jacket thickness, construction etc.
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Yeah, as I read through the article (which was very good, BTW), the thing that kept jumping out at me was that he was neglecting to mention that form factors are universal across calibers and weights, as long as bullet construction is equal. If you start using different bullet materials, you're no longer comparing on common ground.
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Form factors are not uniform brother, each bullet of same weight with different design has a different form factor as compared to the standard which is a factor or "1"
Unless you are meaning to say that each model of the same weight bullet from the same MFG have the same form factor.
Or that each bullet of the same weight and caliber have the same SD?
So a 200 AB to another 200 AB should have the same form factor. But a 200 AB to a 200 LRX will likely not have the same factor.
SD= Grain/7000 / (caliber)^2
Form = SD/G7
So anywhere bullets of the same weight and caliber have a different G7 from one another, they will also have a different form factor.
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Sorry, should have clarified a bit better. I should have said "universally comparable" as an analytical tool. Meaning as long as bullet construction is equal, a lower form factor means a slipperier bullet, ignoring weight and caliber.
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I like the word slippery and agree..
Thats what I will call it from now on the Slippery Factor and not being sarcastic!
We just hijacked the bear thread to hell, sorry, truly a great bear.
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It was a thread about bear bullets so all good.
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Great thread! Interesting, too. 30338, congrats to your son. Looks like a nice bear back there.
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Pretty slick.... Even the ass is fancy.
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30338,
Thanks for a great thread. My long rage shooting knowledge is slim for sure and I'm still trying to wrap my head around that heavy-for-caliber projectile, especially from a short-range drop perspective.
Congrats again on the bear, I look forward to more bullet on game performance reports.
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How much freebore is needed? They seem to have a longer bearing surface than the 180 hybrid. Scenar 180's look slick and appear to have great quality control. I might be interested in trying these in a 28 Nosler I'm building.
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I'd have to check my notes, but thinking I am about .01 off the lands. They tuned super easy and I didn't go through too many rounds before I settled on one. I'd twist it 8.5 and shoot either the scenars or the 195 bergers.
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30338,
Thanks for a great thread. My long rage shooting knowledge is slim for sure and I'm still trying to wrap my head around that heavy-for-caliber projectile, especially from a short-range drop perspective.
Congrats again on the bear, I look forward to more bullet on game performance reports. "Velocity fades, but BC lasts forever." Or something close to that. German Salazar.
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Thread resurrection/update. Starsky used those 180 scenars again this year. Bull was around 550 yards. One bullet recovered looked exactly like another nosler partition. I've shot a few things this year with a 195 berger eol and to me, the 180 scenar seems to be a harder bullet that is penetrating deeper. At some point, I might switch over but nothing has survived the 195s yet either.
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I'll be testing the 180 Hybrid vs 180 Scenar at long range distance. The Scenar seems to be shooting a little better in my 28 Nosler. Both print same POI at 100 yards FWIW.
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I'd have no fears on the 180 scenar based on the results I have seen. I haven't shot the hybrid. Good luck on the testing.
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You guys are shooting these out of 7mm Rem Mags, right?
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Yes sir. 180 scenar at 2860 fps(24" barrel) and 195 EOL presently at 2820 out of 25".
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I'll be testing the 180 Hybrid vs 180 Scenar at long range distance. The Scenar seems to be shooting a little better in my 28 Nosler. Both print same POI at 100 yards FWIW. I've seen a lot of expansion issues out of the 180 hybrid..Meaning not expanding. the 195 EOL and 180 Scenar are far better hunting bullets, seeing consistent results out of them. Just passing along what i've seen.
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I didn't kill a deer with the 180 Scenar from my old 7 lrm last year, but my buddy absolutely hammered a coues deer at 342. Did an entire front flip.
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Would a 28 nosler be any better in your opinion I have a 7rm 1/8 twist in the works. It would be easy to go 28 your thoughts would be appreciated.
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I have a 28 nosler and it is [bleep]!ng awesome. Seriously makes 600 a chip shot.
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How fast and what are you shooting powder,bullet, COAL, ect.
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Has anyone tested it at close range......you know a rare target of opportunity
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How fast and what are you shooting powder,bullet, COAL, ect. 80 gr h1000 3.330 180 hybrid 3202 fps.
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Is the Lapua 7mm 180 scenar BC holding true?
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Anyone try the 180 in a 7 WSM?
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Good to know, thanks. I've tested the 180 Hybrid vs 180 Scenar in my 28 Nosler. So far the scenar has perform better in accuracy, and seems like you guys hunting with them are pleased.
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