Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Why was the 270-08 never made commercial

...and don't forget the .260 Remington. That base is pretty well covered.

I for one would be all over the 25-08 which fills a bit of a void in the class of 08 cartridges.
The bob, being the only thing close, but a bit long for the short 700's and model 7's, to say nothing of the Kimbers.

The 270 anything, for whatever reason, never got my motor running, but that's a case of different strokes for different folks. Nuttin wrong with that at all.



While were on cartridges that have to fill niches......Here's one for you all to ponder.

22 K-Hornet Rimless.....

She'd feed through a staggered box smooth and kill little critters cleanly and quietly. It would be the cheapest centerfire to reload, and for anyone who's fired a K-Hornet or for that matter, just a Hornet can understand what a neat round she'd be. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

There ya have it.....the niche round that hopefully, in my lifetime, will be filled.

A .22 K-Hornet Rimless?

.221 Fireball. That's about as close as I'll ever need to get.

Cohiba,

A 30 or 45% reduction of significantly noticable recoil of say a .338RUM would be, well...significant. A 30 or 45% reduction of recoil that wasn't, or shouldn't have been, an issue to begin with..is well, insignificant. But if you want to quibble about that as a selling point for a less potent short action .277, then I wont argue with you.

Cohiba and all who would like a 25-08 check out the 25 Souper. 308 necked down to 25 caliber.

My take on all this. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

The factories have to make things happen as far as new cartridges are concerned. Also, certain factories used to seem to like certain calibers such as the 6.5, 277, and 338 for Winchester and the 25, 7mm for Remington. Winchester choose early to make the 243 the only sub 308 caliber on the 308 case. Remington would not do it because Winchester was known for the 270 and a 270 anything Remington would flop bigtime. I always felt it was a bit strange why Winchester didn't come out with a short 6.5X08 something to compliment the 264 but they didn't. This would have probably negated any need for a 270X08 something and maybe it still has.

I really think the 7mm-08 was a bit of a desperation on Remington's part because the 280s health at the time was looking pretty sick. Remember the 7mm-06-7mm Express fiasco to try and pump new life in a sick cartridge? The phrase "A 7X57 in a short case" seem to help the 7mm-08 take off and for some reason the 280, even with Remington handicapping it, started selling better also.

The biggest surprise to me when it comes to short rounds is Remington's making the 6.5X08 round the factory 260 Remington. To me the ideal lineup of cartridges on the 308 case, providing I was a short action lover which I am not, would be in 25, 7mm, 30, and 35 calibers. With these four I would want for nothing more. However factories must sell new rounds so we see 24, 264, 277, and 338 put in the mix and some do become factory rounds. If there is one short round I would be interested in as a factory round, it is the 25 caliber. Strangely enough that is one nobody has ever legitimized. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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I always liked the idea of a 277 caliber cartridge based on the 308 case. The reason I think it would be nice is because of the bullet weights available. The most common bullet weight is 130g which has an SD a little less .25. I'm guessing you could get 3,000 fps with the 130g bullet out of the 308 case. Since these bullets are made to be used at 270 speeds, I would guess they would hold together great at speeds obtainable from the 308 case. Want to hunt something bigger?........jump up to the 150g bullets. The 110g TSX should work nicely or the 120g X.

The point that cartridges already exist that can fill this niche is silly; else, we would only have 2 or 3 cartridges. This would be a great whitetail cartrdge. Who knows, maybe the 3,000 fps barrier would make it appeal to the masses. I love short action cartridges.

A .270/3000? Well, it worked many years ago with the .250 bore.

I think it should be called a 278 something or other

Appears Federal has the itch with it's new 338 Federal. Maybe someone should ask them to do a study on a 277 Federal :-)

Seems like all (??) other -06 based calibers have a same 308 based diameter counterpart. Maybe a 25-08 is in order come to think of it.

GeoW

I don't think you could ask for a better all-around mule deer, blacktail, speed goat round than the 25-08.....

Been itching to build one for myself for quite a while and so has my dad.
If and when it ever became factory fodder........I'd be through itching and starting the scratching.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You dont have to ask. 270WSM is "better". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I may be wrong, but I thought the 6.8SPC was just that, a .270-08.

its not. its a shortened 30 remington case.

The .257-08 has been done � its called a .257 Souper.

Compared to the .257 Roberts it has one advantage � it will fit a short-action rifle. The .257 Roberts is based on the 7x57 and is too long for many short actions but doesn�t take full advantage of the long actions, either.

In modern firearms there is no reason not to load the .257 Roberts to the same pressures as the .308. When that is done the .257 Roberts beats the Souper in the velocity department, and matches velocity at lower pressures (longer barrel life).

what would the velocity range be on a 25/308 in the 120 gr.

I could be way wrong but I would be for thinking in the 2750-2800 range perhaps?

What do you guys think?

Mark D

I don't think the 0.07 inch difference between that and the 7-08 or the 0.13 between the 260 rem. makes it commercially viable. Same can be said for the 25 cal version. between the .243 and the .260.

Of course couldn't you also say the same thing about the 308 to the 7/08 and also the 7/08 to the 260?

I kind of believe that a lot of this gack doesn't make much sense, it is always kind of tough to say what is gonna fly and what isn't to the general public.

I don't believe that the 270/08 would be any rock star in terms of sales, I do believe they would sell a few maybe even more than a few. It all depends on the marketing approach and the makers passion to see it succeed.
The 7/08 has such a good head start on it I kind of believe it would become a 270 vs 280 sort of thing.

I kind of like the idea of a 270/08 cause it is something different. I don't believe it would do anything better than what is out there already. I kind of think that the 308 is awfully tough to beat and the rest is all micro mgt.

For me the appeal of the 270/08 is the something different, it would probably lose some of its appeal if it became a factory round. Weird eh.......gun nuts what can I say!

Make it your best day gang!

Mark D