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I am with everyone else, dead critters=bullet performance.
If you want to try a different TSX, I have had great success with a 53gr TSX. I have never recovered one of those, and we have killed truckloads of critters with it.
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Five inch holes on either side don't do anything for me. It's the reason I quite using the early ballistic tips.
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ingwe, Mule Deer and Steelhead pretty well summed up what goes on with the 62 TTSX on its journey through a critter when starting that journey with enough twist....
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22-250 twisted 8 and a 62gr Barnes, sounds like a pure killer.
I'd like to try that combo.
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They are mean little buggers....
Ran into something odd with the 62TSX the other day in my 223AI, although not related to expansion. I used to shoot them at 3,350fps with H335 and accuracy was decent with the bullets on the lands. Not as good as cup/cores, but MOA or less, which was fine for deer/pigs inside 250yds like I intended. Well, one day at the bench I got a popped primer (bolt face was not bushed yet, sloppy factory hole). I seated the bullets back a decent ways to drop pressure a bit. Finally got around to shooting those rounds after making some mods to the rifle, including a boltface bushing job at Gre-tan (awesome, by the way) and the rifle frigging hates them. 2-2.5MOA at 100yds. Rifle shoots still shoots great with 75gr VLD's, just like always. I even scrubbed the bore and tried again. Same results. I've seen seating depth make a difference before with other bullets, but never to this extent. Guess it's back to working from the lands, even though Barnes does not recommend it and my other rifles don't mind a fair jump with the TSX/TTSX......
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I won't use '335 living in the South! Too temperature erratic for me.
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H-450 either for that matter, life's too short to have to label ammo for Winter use only Mike
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Barnes says H4895 is a decent fit and it's not as temperature sensitive. May try that out. Too good of a bullet to leave on the shelf.
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weird, even with the small dime sized exit holes, a trashed heart, liquefied lungs, and two broken ribs in and out from the same bullet shot from a 16 inch barreled AR15. As several animals are dead from this gun/bullet combination I am glad you mention the problem so I can look for a new load.
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I would propose to you that the bullets DID expand, and expand as advertised. Skin is elastic, and a .22 bullet expanded even to twice its diameter will theoretically give you a .44 cal hole....due to the elasticity of the skin,the hole will appear smaller. Dime sized or smaller exit is to be expected with that bullet..... Barnes will typically expand fully in the first 3-4 inches of flesh.
We have had this same 'argument' ad nauseum about Nosler Partitions "penciling on through "
They don't....
If that doesn't make you happy, time to switch!
Perfect post. I've seen more than a few dime exits on animals that died quickly. Once you open them up, its apparent the bullet performance was perfect.
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These guys have explained it perfectly. I use the old 90gr X in my 250 AI. Small hole in and out w/nothing but total devastation in between. Never needed a blood trail. I've killed some fairly large bucks for Texas and they just get a hump in their back, get punch drunk and fall over like a paper doll in the wind. 1in10 23in Shilen barrel on a Brazilian made '94 action. Shoots better than I can hold...a true 1in 5shot gun. Put together by Ray Montgomery out of Colorado. powdr
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I've had numerous deer run quite a ways punched in the lungs with the 80TTSX from a 243.
They leave a small exit hole and not a lot of blood.
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3 bullets three failures to expand. 62gr TTSX in my 22-250AI chrony'd at 3700+ fps 80yds coyote broadside point of shoulder 250 yds antelope 1/4 away in behind last rib out between front rib and shoulder. 100yd antelope neck shot. neither antelope shots hit bone but did pass through tough neck meat or 18" of guts. Im neither expecting nor desiring explosive expansion, and yes all three shots were fatal but NONE of the bullets showed ANY expansion!I did buy barnes for deep penetrationbut I might as well be using FMJ. Any ideas on whats happening? Suggestions for new 22 hunting bullet? Sorta like others have said - How far did they run? What did the insides look like?
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Barnes says H4895 is a decent fit and it's not as temperature sensitive. May try that out. Too good of a bullet to leave on the shelf. Varget would be a good one to try...............
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The size of the entry and exit holes do not always tell a true tale. [ These pictures show both sides of an elk. Each side has one entry and one exit hole. It is rather difficult to tell which is which since all holes are about the same size. Picture one has the entrance hole below the exit hole. The opposite is true for the second picture. The bull did a 180 turn after the first shot allowing a second shot from the other side. The bullets did a large amount of damage to the lungs and heart.
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Years ago my brother had a box of 150 gran Core Lokt's loaded in his 3006 that did not exspand when shot into texas whitetail. The next box he got did exspand like they always have before, there was something wrong with that one box
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